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mvallevand
2010-09-05, 08:32 PM
I have uploaded a beta version of the mvpmc dongle that supports N-PVR a little better. http://www.mvpmc.org/~mvallevand/mvpmc_npvr.7z 1.5.31 is required.

My experiences so far

- old analog recordings stored as mpg seem to play and skip ok
- new analog recordings stored as ts play and skip ok (does not use timing.info)
- ac3 audio files can sound like *** and will be out of sync but play
- live tv play but you need to increase the rolling file size for long play time.

Be sure to set <TranscodeTsForMVP>false</TranscodeTsForMVP> in config.xml

I think this should be a new beginning for MVP users who want to use N-PVR. Let me know your experiences

Updated 2010-09-18 was sending PTS too early

Martin

steeb
2010-09-05, 11:54 PM
Thanks Martin,

great stuff. Initial impression is that MVP's are playing NPVR live TV, which is absolutely brilliant. Trouble changing channels (hang) and test MVP nearest server and hub plays flawlessly, MVP's further away on network, glitching. Will it help to manually enter individual MVP settings in NPVR config.xml (as I did with GBPVR?)

At last Live TV with MVP and NPVR. Most excellent :-)

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-06, 12:08 AM
Thanks Martin,

great stuff. Initial impression is that MVP's are playing NPVR live TV, which is absolutely brilliant. Trouble changing channels (hang) and test MVP nearest server and hub plays flawlessly, MVP's further away on network, glitching. Will it help to manually enter individual MVP settings in NPVR config.xml (as I did with GBPVR?)

At last Live TV with MVP and NPVR. Most excellent :-)

Steeb

It doesn't really hang on changing channel, you just have to hit stop to get control back when you change channels because something isn't working. I wrote to sub with logs about this but I didn't get a reply.

Distance on a home network won't make any difference, so you should look for other solutions.

You should definitely copy in the offset etc from MVP into config.xml to avoid overscan but I'd also recommend you try the BRVE+ skin for PAL.

Good luck.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-06, 12:24 AM
It doesn't really hang on changing channel, you just have to hit stop to get control back when you change channels because something isn't working. I wrote to sub with logs about this but I didn't get a reply.

OK, that will work for now. At least it is playing :D


Distance on a home network won't make any difference, so you should look for other solutions.

Hmmmm, it is making a difference, just tried it again, and copied over MAC specific settings from GBPVR config to NPVR config. Perhaps just something in the 'air tonight' very rarely but sometimes I did get stutter over my home network with LiveTV on the MVP's, perhaps just this night that I chose to test it!


You should definitely copy in the offset etc from MVP into config.xml to avoid overscan but I'd also recommend you try the BRVE+ skin for PAL.

Haven't actually worked out where I change the skin for MVP yet with NPVR :o

Also will this in any way help me with my set-up:

http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?47878-New-mvpmcx2n-update-for-GBPVR-and-NPVR-2010-09-05

If so will post there too!


Good luck.

Thank you so much I don't need luck when there's the likes of you :)

Steeb

steeb
2010-09-06, 12:29 AM
- live tv play but you need to increase the rolling file size for long play time.

Martin

Martin out of interest where do we increase rolling file size?

Cheers

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-06, 01:03 AM
The registry setting is here. http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?47648-live-tv-keeps-making-new-file-every-6.40-minutes&p=384920#post384920

I think if you want an hour you will need about 120000 seconds.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-06, 01:18 AM
The registry setting is here. http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?47648-live-tv-keeps-making-new-file-every-6.40-minutes&p=384920#post384920

I think if you want an hour you will need about 120000 seconds.

Martin

Thanks Martin, I remember reading this now on the thread. But as you know, me, threads, and posts, not great. I see that this is not relevant to my set up on this thread.

As far as I can make out MVP is working near flawlessly with NPVR and LiveTV (apart from channel change already noted)(required reboot of my router for some reason to let it settle)

Every now and then LiveTV will just stop playing, so is that back to rolling issue? (trying now)

Cheers

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-06, 01:33 AM
I made a typo you need about 12000 seconds, 10890 actually, per hour. If live tv is stopping after 6-7 minutes that is the rolling file limit.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-06, 01:42 AM
I made a typo you need about 12000 seconds, 10890 actually, per hour. If live tv is stopping after 6-7 minutes that is the rolling file limit.

Martin

Could this be made an option in settings of NPVR somewhere?

Sub? Should users have to hack the registry? Seems a little archaic to me?

Cheers

Steeb

sub
2010-09-06, 02:06 AM
Sub? Should users have to hack the registry? Seems a little archaic to me?Officially there is no live tv support for the MVP. Pretty much the only way we'll get live tv support for it in the future is if Martin decides to update the mvpmc to use the http streaming interface used by the Popcorn Hour. This handles the new rolling file live tv buffer. I have no plans to add this logic to the old Hauppauge streaming interface.

The registry update is just a workaround that can allow you to unofficially watch tv in the meantime, but it has limitations.

mvallevand
2010-09-06, 03:55 AM
This is very much a hack of the rolling file, and I hope it is temporary. Changing emulation mode to use the web server for live tv will be a lot of work, on top of really disrupting everything that I actually would have fun doing, so before starting work on it I do want to see MVP users committing to NPVR now that I believe they have something to really work with.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-06, 09:42 AM
This is very much a hack of the rolling file, and I hope it is temporary. Changing emulation mode to use the web server for live tv will be a lot of work, on top of really disrupting everything that I actually would have fun doing, so before starting work on it I do want to see MVP users committing to NPVR now that I believe they have something to really work with.

Martin

Cheers Martin, well all I can say is thank you for getting this far. I do hope some other MVP users will wade in with NPVR now, this is something to really work with.

all the best

Steeb

JonRoyle
2010-09-06, 10:15 AM
I had tried NPVR with my MVP's but it had not worked well so I had stuck with GBPVR. I will try with new MVPMC dongle in next couple of days. I have to say I am looking to buy one newer device (Egreat M34a is looking favourite) in next month or so as the lack of HD playback is an issue. The MVP is however great for music and background TV so I don't want to replace all for some time yet

steeb
2010-09-07, 11:07 PM
I just thought I'd bump this a bit as I am amazed that so few seem to want this with NPVR. Did everyone sell their MVP's? Or just not moving to NPVR?

Steeb

HarryH3
2010-09-08, 02:30 AM
I'm still living in the analog age. :( Still using GBPVR, Hauppauge PVR 150's and just bought our 4th MVP!

OscarL
2010-09-08, 06:12 AM
This new dongle is great:D I haven't been able to test it to much but it seems stable. Skipping works. Live TV works. Thanks for yor work mvallevand. Now I can continue using my old MVPs with NPVR which I find even more stable than GBPVR. Great!!

There is however a minor thing I noticed, it seems as if the volume contriol does not work anymore. I use analog out through the SCART connector and it seems the volume is stuck on a "medium" value. No big problem as I can control it thorugh the TV volume instead.

timh
2010-09-08, 09:39 AM
I just thought I'd bump this a bit as I am amazed that so few seem to want this with NPVR. Did everyone sell their MVP's? Or just not moving to NPVR?

Steeb

I was in the "not moving to NPVR" group, due to the lack of MVP support. I'd pretty much stopped visting the GBPVR forums and had started to think about alternative PVR software (definitely wasn't going to get rid of my 2 perfectly functional MVPs).

So I was delighted when I discovered this thread yesterday. I gave the updated dongle a go with NPVR last night and it's working very well so far. It's a big thank you to Martin from me, and I hope enough people agree to encourage him to keep up the great work.
Tim

JonRoyle
2010-09-08, 08:45 PM
Hmmm - new dongle works fine but NPVR/MVP is not a good combination - Am I being thick?

Does NPVR no longer transcode AVI/MKV files to MPG for playback? I can't find any config options

Also as mentioned in forums before NPVR does not appear to select dongle mentioned in config file and just uses the dongle.bin file.

nia
2010-09-08, 09:28 PM
Even though I have an A-100 in the living room for mail viewing, I would love to be able to re-plug my MVPs in the other rooms. I'll check this out one of these days. I'm depending on Martins excellent work anyway for years now - MVP as well as PCH. Thank you :)

steeb
2010-09-08, 10:01 PM
Hmmm - new dongle works fine but NPVR/MVP is not a good combination - Am I being thick?

Does NPVR no longer transcode AVI/MKV files to MPG for playback? I can't find any config options

Also as mentioned in forums before NPVR does not appear to select dongle mentioned in config file and just uses the dongle.bin file.

I haven't tried AVI/MKV conversion.

As to the dongle.bin I'm not sure what I have done different to you but my MVP's are almost certainly loading dongle.npvr.bin because that is the only file I have in NPVR Dongle directory ending in .bin (unless it is somehow managing to load dongle.bin_original which I suspect not)

I have NPVR running on same server as GB-PVR, all I think I did to get this working was change dongle name in NPVR config.xml, stop GB-PVR recording service, change settings of NPVR to run at least 1 instance of MVP, stop NPVR recording service, restart NPVR recording service and MVP boots straight into NPVR with new dongle.....

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-08, 10:10 PM
Also as mentioned in forums before ...

Please don't duplicate posts, this thread is for comments the mvpmc beta.

Martin

tkgafs
2010-09-08, 10:10 PM
I was in the "not moving to NPVR" group, due to the lack of MVP support. I'd pretty much stopped visting the GBPVR forums and had started to think about alternative PVR software (definitely wasn't going to get rid of my 2 perfectly functional MVPs).



I was in exactly the same position, thought it was all over for my mvp, had stopped visiting the forums, and by chance I also found this thread, if it works with ML3 I'll try it out this weekend

Tkgafs

steeb
2010-09-09, 12:18 AM
Martin,

I have just tried playing some .avi's and a .wmv through new dongle an MVP and NPVR. Not much luck.

They do play with MVP and GB-PVR and interestingly also with the new dongle in GB-PVR but not with the dongle in NPVR. I get about 2 seconds of audio a blank screen then audio dies and blank screen stays.

I would post logs etc etc but if the interest isn't there from other users to get this working I won't waste my time or yours

Cheers

Steeb

BrettB
2010-09-09, 12:25 AM
I get about 2 seconds of audio a blank screen then audio dies and blank screen stays.

FYI - I'm still occassionally getting the same behavior with .ts recordings playing on the NMT. (In fact, it just happened to me again.)

- Brett

mvallevand
2010-09-09, 12:36 AM
As I said to JonRoyle I have no intention of rehashing NPVR problems in this thread. A better thread is here http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?46892-N-PVR-and-MVPs&p=378338#post378338

Sorry if it sounds harsh but I want to limit what I am working to getting recordings and live tv working. I don't want to support the MVP beyond that.

Martin

mvallevand
2010-09-09, 12:37 AM
FYI - I'm still occassionally getting the same behavior with .ts recordings playing on the NMT. (In fact, it just happened to me again.)

- Brett

That is 100% unrelated.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-09, 12:47 AM
As I said to JonRoyle I have no intention of rehashing NPVR problems in this thread. A better thread is here http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?46892-N-PVR-and-MVPs&p=378338#post378338

Sorry if it sounds harsh but I want to limit what I am working to getting recordings and live tv working. I don't want to support the MVP beyond that.

Martin

Not harsh at all, sometimes clarification on a thread is needed :-)

For me the immediate deal or no deal is LiveTV, Recordings come 2nd so I'll watch this thread and see what happens,

Steeb

JonRoyle
2010-09-09, 07:04 AM
Sorry if it sounds harsh but I want to limit what I am working to getting recordings and live tv working. I don't want to support the MVP beyond that.

Martin

Martin - no probs and thanks for clarification. We all use MVP's for different things - for me previous recordings (now in AVI format) is the main use. Looks like I will stick with GBPVR till I get a Popcorn/Egreat.

peterh
2010-09-13, 09:01 PM
Also as mentioned in forums before NPVR does not appear to select dongle mentioned in config file and just uses the dongle.bin file.

I renamed it to dongle.bin in order to get it to load. Working pretty well, though, so Thanks Martin

tmrt
2010-09-16, 01:33 PM
I think this should be a new beginning for MVP users who want to use N-PVR. Let me know your experiences
Martin

I have been trying to use MVP for watching recorded TS files (mpeg audio). I have very mixed experience. Some files play fine, while some show very strange time lines, with the beginning of the show at negative times which span from a few hours to seconds. For such files skipping does not work at all. I think that the problem is related to the encrypted packets at the beginning of the stream. Is there any way to make MVP more robust with respect to such streams?

mvallevand
2010-09-16, 04:43 PM
Is there any way to make MVP more robust with respect to such streams?

Sorry, the NMT is a smarter client and can use the new timing info in NPVR but because of the way mvpmc and NPVR interact it would not be feasible. Even post processing these files will be difficult.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-16, 06:12 PM
Hi Martin, is there something like a "NPVR & MVP Guide For Dummies"? ;) I'm trying to give NPVR a try, but I'm not sure how to configure mvpmc for use with NPVR. I copied the dongle to the Dongle directory under NPVR and named it dongle.bin. However, my MVP just gets stuck at searching for MVPMediaBootServer, even though I have 4 servers enabled in Settings. The MVP works great with GBPVR and an older dongle, so I'm sure I'm not doing something right with the setup for NPVR.

Thanks!

mvallevand
2010-09-16, 06:15 PM
The two most likely causes of problems on a working GBPVR setup would be either forgetting to disable the GBPVR server or not allowing NextPVR.exe for TCP and UDP through your firewall for the local network.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-16, 06:34 PM
D'oh! The good old firewall was standing right in the way. My MVP's have just been working for so long that I forgot about that. :( Thanks for the quick response!

HarryH3
2010-09-17, 02:35 AM
I got to play with it a bit this afternoon before I had to re-enable GBPVR to record the shows Mrs. H3 had set to grab this evening. Like others, I noticed the bizarre timeline with negative numbers if I hit the blue button. The "Menu" key doesn't function for me like it did with GBPVR. The screen gets a sort of shadow effect, but doesn't go to the menu until I also press the OK button. Is this the new normal or do I still have a bit of tweaking to do?

mvallevand
2010-09-17, 02:40 AM
I got to play with it a bit this afternoon before I had to re-enable GBPVR to record the shows Mrs. H3 had set to grab this evening. Like others, I noticed the bizarre timeline with negative numbers if I hit the blue button. The "Menu" key doesn't function for me like it did with GBPVR. The screen gets a sort of shadow effect, but doesn't go to the menu until I also press the OK button. Is this the new normal or do I still have a bit of tweaking to do?

Thanks for having a try, could you upload your mvp logs and I will have a look.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-17, 02:22 PM
Thanks Martin! Logs attached. Let me know if you need me to do anything specific and I'll be glad to help out. I don't watch TV much but my wife loves to record her favorites. ALL of our viewing is done via MVP's, from a headless server, so without MVP support I'll be stuck with 1.4.7. :(

HarryH3
2010-09-17, 03:31 PM
This morning I noticed that pressing "Menu" brings up a very small popup at the top left corner of the screen. From the Recordings menu I can select Back, Sort, or Man-Rec. The default selection is Back, so I suppose that's why it would go to the menu when I pressed OK yesterday. I didn't even notice the popup yesterday, probably due to the screen glare in the afternoon. I suppose that perhaps this is normal for NPVR?

mvallevand
2010-09-17, 05:14 PM
HarryH3, do you have the config.xml setting for you MVP? It looks like it is defaulting to 720x480 and no accounting for overscan offsets which I don't think is going to render well.

I suggest starting with

580
420
30
30

I'm still looking at the timeline problem.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-17, 05:47 PM
Now that I think about it, I copied over my old settings (From using the MVP Position Plugin long ago) from GBPVR last night, after those logs were created. Perhaps that is why I wasn't seeing the popup yesterday.:o

The timeline problem seems somewhat random. Some shows work perfectly, while others have bizarre timelines. I also noticed this morning that when I stop a show and then "Resume" it, the total time at the right of the position bar shows up correctly, but the marker shows that it started at 00:00, even if it resumed to 20 minutes into the show. Perhaps that can help pinpoint the issue?

mvallevand
2010-09-18, 02:20 PM
Now that I think about it, I copied over my old settings (From using the MVP Position Plugin long ago) from GBPVR last night, after those logs were created. Perhaps that is why I wasn't seeing the popup yesterday.:o

Yes that would have done it.


The timeline problem seems somewhat random. Some shows work perfectly, while others have bizarre timelines. I also noticed this morning that when I stop a show and then "Resume" it, the total time at the right of the position bar shows up correctly, but the marker shows that it started at 00:00, even if it resumed to 20 minutes into the show. Perhaps that can help pinpoint the issue?

I have updated the beta version, mvpmc was reporting the first few time values back to NPVR incorrectly which could certainly have lead to the apparently random problem you are having.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 02:54 PM
Just downloaded it and will try it out.

Last night I switched back over to GBPVR without doing a hard reset on the MVP, so it was still running the 8/30/2010 version of mvpmc. Shows played fine, but the onscreen display was pretty messed up when I hit the blue button while watching. I suppose that had to be customized for NPVR?

The one thing I'm finding that I really miss are the tray icons that were provided by the MVP Tray Icon plugin. Without those I can't tell when it's safe to reboot the server. Has the author of that moved on to other things? Between it and Slimm GBPVR I could see everything that was going on with the server. :(

mvallevand
2010-09-18, 03:18 PM
Just downloaded it and will try it out.

Last night I switched back over to GBPVR without doing a hard reset on the MVP, so it was still running the 8/30/2010 version of mvpmc. Shows played fine, but the onscreen display was pretty messed up when I hit the blue button while watching. I suppose that had to be customized for NPVR?

There are a few changes, the OSD is definitely one of them. As this progresses and more people try it out I will use a config.xml setting to make mvpmc aware that it is NPVR or GBPVR. I didn't want to do this yet because it's one more thing to explain.


The one thing I'm finding that I really miss are the tray icons that were provided by the MVP Tray Icon plugin. Without those I can't tell when it's safe to reboot the server. Has the author of that moved on to other things? Between it and Slimm GBPVR I could see everything that was going on with the server. :(

It's a chicken and egg situation. User don't upgrade because of lack of new tools, keeping the user base of NPVR low. Then there is then no spark for updating or drive for creating new versions of some of these older non-supported tools.

Frankly if I was sub reading the comments about NPVR I'd seriously consider shutting the whole project down. The irony for me is the only thing I have done for NPVR that seems to have been worth commenting on is the mvpmc support. The rest isn't very satisfying.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 04:16 PM
Your mvpmc support for GBPVR has been legendary. :) NPVR is having some growing pains, but that's true with any all-new software, especially when the word "beta" is involved. The whiners probably expected to just install NPVR and have it work perfectly, ignoring the beta part of things. ;) I still have 1.4.7 installed for the family to use and only mess about with NVPR when there aren't any shows scheduled to record in GBPVR or anyone viewing a show. It's a bit of work, but it's the only way that the bugs will get worked out.

We use GBPVR only via the MVP's or once in a great while in PC client mode, so for me it's these remote streaming capabilities that matter most. Those that have an HTPC sitting under the giant HD flat screen have a different set of wants and needs.

A few observations from this mornings testing:

With todays version of mvpmc loaded I noticed that "resume" seems to always take me back to the very beginning of a show, but the left timeline counter shows a negative number. Then I pressed "Pause" and then "Stop" and everything locked up onscreen. Eventually the MVP ended up back at the main mvpmc screen. I'll attach the logs so you can have a peek.

I also noticed one other oddity with the timeline. Press the blue button then press "skip" forward. The left timeline briefly shows -00:01 and then jumps to the correct time. It may just be a quirk in the display while the new location is calculated, but thought I'd let you know anyway, just in case it's an important clue to something else. :)

If I let a recording play all the way to the very end there is just a black screen for quite some time before going back to the menu.

When I press "Stop" while viewing, the Close, Play, Delete popup for the show is still onscreen, but it isn't active. I also had this with GBPVR so perhaps that's just the nature of the beast.

I have "Confirm on Delete" set to "True" in config.xml, but selecting delete doesn't ask for confirmation. It just deletes the file. (This is a killer for the WAF. She gets impatient and hits multiple keypresses sometimes instead of waiting for the MVP to respond.) :rolleyes:

That's it for now. Have a great weekend!

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 05:05 PM
More logs. I had Dr. Oz playing, several minutes into the show, and pressed the "Skip" button. Instead of going forward 1 minute it jumped all the way back to the beginning of the show.

mvallevand
2010-09-18, 05:53 PM
HarryH3 there is nothing in the new log, maybe you are you autostarting more than one server? I see I have a small bit to do on skipping but I need to look into your other comments in more detail later.

Thanks,

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 06:08 PM
Ah, I do have it set to autostart 4 servers. I'll change it back to 1 for now, as I'm doing all my testing from one MVP. Then I'll try to get it to do the Skip function again until it goes back to the beginning of the file and post up more logs for you. :)

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 07:58 PM
Here's another update for you, with the steps I took to get there:

Rebooted.

Killed GBPVR.

Started NPVR Tray App.

Started NPVR Recording Service.

Started MVP, this time with 1 server running.

Selected "Resume" for recorded show Dr. Oz

File started at the beginning of the show, but left timeline showed -27.xx.

Skipped ahead a few times, then did a couple of 5-minute skips (5, then skip on remote).

Pressed Skip again (without pressing a number first) and then it went back to the beginning of the show again.

Attached are the logs from just afterwards.

I hope this is helpful!

Oh yeah, should I go back and delete my earlier logs to save some disk space on subs server?

mvallevand
2010-09-18, 10:05 PM
It's a bit of work, but it's the only way that the bugs will get worked out.

Agreed and I thank you on behalf of potential MVP users. My goal is to get it into the closet as soon as possible.


With todays version of mvpmc loaded I noticed that "resume" seems to always take me back to the very beginning of a show, but the left timeline counter shows a negative number.

Sub is going to need to do work work, NextPVR logic wants the first PTS and with resume it is storing the wrong one.


I also noticed one other oddity with the timeline.

There are plenty I am waiting for the next time NextPVR is updated via a patch, it has some useful info.


If I let a recording play all the way to the very end there is just a black screen for quite some time before going back to the menu.

Yes this happens on the NMT too in certain spots, you have to move a key to get a refresh.


When I press "Stop" while viewing, the Close, Play, Delete popup for the show is still onscreen, but it isn't active. I also had this with GBPVR so perhaps that's just the nature of the beast.

Thats a missing screen update typically caused by the crappy slow networking of the MVP.


I have "Confirm on Delete" set to "True" in config.xml, but selecting delete doesn't ask for confirmation. It just deletes the file. (This is a killer for the WAF. She gets impatient and hits multiple keypresses sometimes instead of waiting for the MVP to respond.) :rolleyes:

That's a feature request for sub, although I must say even in GBPVR I miss not having the name in the dialog.


That's it for now. Have a great weekend!

You too.

Martin

mvallevand
2010-09-18, 10:08 PM
I hope this is helpful!

Yes, it is all helpful, but for now we need to wait for the NextPVR update.


Oh yeah, should I go back and delete my earlier logs to save some disk space on subs server?

Personally I go back to old logs from time to time and look so I'd prefer it if users didn't Sub of course has to pay for this so I guess anyone who feels guilty can donate.

Martin

HarryH3
2010-09-18, 10:59 PM
I'll watch for the new NPG3VR version to post and we can continue with debug on mvpmc. :)

macgyver
2010-09-24, 02:26 PM
Hi

Not sure if I'm missing something here but I don't have a bin folder under npvr and I cant see where to specify the bin file in the settings.
Should I create a folder and will it then just pick up whichever .bin I put in there?

Cheers

nia
2010-09-24, 02:38 PM
C:\Users\Public\NPVR\Dongle

And it's working quite well. I've reconnected my MVP's - they were missed in the secondary rooms. Also the .TS direct streaming option that I somehow missed is working, which is very important to me, as I'm all DVB-C these days.

Looking forward to the next versions further improvements.

HarryH3
2010-09-24, 08:56 PM
If you're still running Win XP then you'll find the dongle folder at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\NPVR :)

mvallevand
2010-09-24, 11:39 PM
I have updated the test dongle and mvpmc should now pass better time values to NPVR, skipping and comskip seem normal. Resume still needs some work by sub and I might need to do a bit more too.

Also this patch http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?48003-recording-quot-all-channels-quot-and-quot-like-quot&p=389416#post389416 might allow live tv to play for a long time on one channel without a registry change.

Good luck, I'd be happy to check out logs for problems.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-26, 11:43 PM
Also this patch http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?48003-recording-quot-all-channels-quot-and-quot-like-quot&p=389416#post389416 might allow live tv to play for a long time on one channel without a registry change.
Martin

Martin, if registry change has already been implemented what would your advice be regarding this patch? Install patch leave registry as already hacked. Unhack registry entry? Not bother with patch?

Cheers

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-26, 11:50 PM
I'd install the update but it's really up to you on what you want the registry settings to be. I guess I'd start with the default (by removing/renaming the key) and adjust it if necessary.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-27, 12:30 AM
I'd install the update but it's really up to you on what you want the registry settings to be. I guess I'd start with the default (by removing/renaming the key) and adjust it if necessary.

Martin

Thanks Martin,

unfortunately that patch seems to have thrown a wobbly on my system, logs looking like something to do with the unmanaged.dll, will resolve tomorrow, too late for investigation now!

many cheers

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-27, 12:34 AM
Ok, you probably need to update to the other patches in johnsonx42's sticky. Hard to keep the beta pieces current.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-27, 11:16 PM
I'd install the update but it's really up to you on what you want the registry settings to be. I guess I'd start with the default (by removing/renaming the key) and adjust it if necessary.

Martin

Martin,

with reg key deleted completely LiveTV does indeed play longer with the patch you indicated. Had LiveTV running for over one hour, (left it running for longer while I was out and at some point it did hang but this was after at least an hour and a half of playing time) thank you for all the work getting .ts to MVP's with NPVR so far!

Haven't tried with recordings yet.

Only functionality I get with MVP RC and Live TV is stop and mute, (no pause or skip back) is this to be expected at this point?

Cheers

Steeb

mvallevand
2010-09-27, 11:51 PM
Sub hasn't indicated that he was going to add support for skipping in LiveTV on the NMT or MVP so I think we have lost this. I've gotten used to hitting the record key, if I have to leave.

As for pause, I don't know if it is implemented or not, and I don't know how many rolling files are kept while pause.

Martin

steeb
2010-09-28, 12:04 AM
Sub hasn't indicated that he was going to add support for skipping in LiveTV on the NMT or MVP so I think we have lost this. I've gotten used to hitting the record key, if I have to leave.

Really?! Skipping on MVP I understand (as theoretically it is now unsupported with NPVR) but on NMT? I am most surprised by this news.... Arrghh just when I thought I was getting ready to start moving the system over to NPVR exclusively. Not good if this is the case.


As for pause, I don't know if it is implemented or not, and I don't know how many rolling files are kept while pause.

Pause not working for me, guess can always re-implement the registry hack to keep larger rolling file size/length?

Steeb

steeb
2010-09-28, 11:42 PM
For some reason today pause now works with MVP and LiveTV. Skipping as expected, not. Pause on NMT fine and skip backwards attempts a reasonable job though not properly, pause and skip forwards not. To be expected from your post? Or is this better than expected?

[Edit] Worked out for some reason only one MVP will take LiveTV in pause mode. i.e. I have 2 MVP server instances running. LiveTV on both, one I can pause, both I can't [End Edit]

mvallevand
2010-09-29, 12:17 AM
I thought I wrote yesterday that I don't know if or how pause was implemented. I will add that it does work, but I am not sure for how long.

I have never had rewind work on the NMT on LiveTV however sometimes on error x2 will restart playback on the current file. The latest version of NRecord is broken for livetv anyway, it always restarts the file for me.

Note to avoid confusion skiping on the MVP on recordings and video library should be normal except when resume is used. For the NMT skipping uses the timing info so it is usually very good.

Martin

mvallevand
2010-12-25, 02:21 PM
Martin - no probs and thanks for clarification. We all use MVP's for different things - for me previous recordings (now in AVI format) is the main use.

NPVR 1.5.36 has fixed the on-the-flay transcoding issues with avi and other formats. With this change and other MVP improvements I now consider the "beta" period closed and recommend NPVR for MVP users too.

Since the new dongle supports both NPVR and GBPVR, it is also the officially supported dongle. Thanks to those who responded for their help.

Martin