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steeb
2012-10-05, 10:51 PM
Dear all,

just chucking this out into the community for now.

sub has provided an add-on to xbmc's new backend pvr capability in the latest release of NextPVR.

As usual sub is ahead of the game and has written, from my initial testing, a very solid add-on to xbmc.

Martin has also been working on an xbmc add-on.

My question is how do we document this?

What I mean by that is we have screenshots etc of certain NextPVR configurations. I think that for now these are sound....

My thought is to use the clients/extenders section?

And rename it to something else?

all thoughts most welcome! I am just itching to start writing some of this up but cannot do so until I am secure in my world of where to put it!

And yes, a load of this can be put I presume in the xbmc wiki, but I think some basics need to be in the NextPVR wiki?

thanks and cheers as always

steeb

steeb
2012-10-07, 09:52 PM
Dear all,

doesn't really surprise me that no-one has replied to this thread yet. Always wiki think wiki do....

Am quite surprised with all the work that sub has done to integrate NextPVR as a back-end to xbmc that NextPVR does not even appear yet on the xbmc wiki!

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Watch_TV_in_XBMC

I know that this stuff is still alpha but I do not see from what I have seen that this will go beyond beta and into full releases?

Apparently Myth and MP have got this working as well as sub's add-on? Is this true? It is not what I have heard through my network!

thanks all, and particularly cheers muchly sub.

v best

steeb

sub
2012-10-07, 10:09 PM
Am quite surprised with all the work that sub has done to integrate NextPVR as a back-end to xbmc that NextPVR does not even appear yet on the xbmc wiki!They haven't accepted nextpvr addon code yet. I'm still working to get them doing that. Once it's merged into the main code, then you'll start to see it mentioned more often.

Also, keep in mind that the mythtv and mediaportal addons for xbmc are lot older. The NextPVR addon is only a few weeks old. It's going to take some time to work through getting it included.

steeb
2012-10-07, 10:17 PM
They haven't accepted nextpvr addon code yet. I'm still working to get them doing that. Once it's merged into the main code, then you'll start to see it mentioned more often.

Also, keep in mind that the mythtv and mediaportal addons for xbmc are lot older. The NextPVR is only a few weeks old. It's going to take some time to work through this.

thanks sub,

at this stage I am bearing much in mind. But from sources I trust I do believe that Myth add-on is not as robust? And of course this is in Doc thread and I was simply wondering how xbmc wiki had not yet got you there?!

Their rules seem very open to wiki entries. I even got myself an account.... But is it that simple or are there some politics going on? I don't like politics! But if none still can't see why NextPVR would not have a mention on xbmc wiki, just let me know...

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-07, 10:24 PM
at this stage I am bearing much in mind. But from sources I trust I do believe that Myth add-on is not as robust? And of course this is in Doc thread and I was simply wondering how xbmc wiki had not yet got you there?!I've never used any of these other add-ons, so I cant tell you how stable/robust they are. They have existed for a lot longer though, and have all been merged into the main xbmc PVR repository. I've asked for the NextPVR addon to be added, but they haven't added it yet. They've given some feedback, and I've changed a couple of things for them, and now I'm waiting on them again. I'm sure it'll be added, but suspect it'll require a bit more back and forth.

mvallevand
2012-10-07, 10:34 PM
It's not just NextPVR, the PVR stuff is very new in XBMC mainline http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=141225 Indeed they are bureaucratic about separating the stable version from all the forks. Frodo isn't even final yet with or without NextPVR support so they have to respect that people are still using the "production" Eden version when writing the wiki.

Still I think the whole thing is handled very professionally. XBMC although freeware seems equivalent to a multi-million dollar software project, far surpassing anything out there. Working in a large company I find it very functional especially if you consider all the diverse interests and egos that are involved.

Martin

steeb
2012-10-07, 10:47 PM
Thanks Martin for that link.

Am about to test the waters. But of course I find I was an xbmc user many moons ago and cannot remember my account! Sigh!

cheers all steeb

steeb
2012-10-07, 11:07 PM
Thanks Martin. I think that was destiny! I remembered my log in and found out I created an account with xbmc way back in 2006!

They seem like a friendly bunch, they always were, let us see. Thanks for the quickpost, as always ;)

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-09, 10:05 PM
I've never used any of these other add-ons, so I cant tell you how stable/robust they are. They have existed for a lot longer though, and have all been merged into the main xbmc PVR repository. I've asked for the NextPVR addon to be added, but they haven't added it yet. They've given some feedback, and I've changed a couple of things for them, and now I'm waiting on them again. I'm sure it'll be added, but suspect it'll require a bit more back and forth.

Thanks sub,

I have now access to xbmc wiki account. Before I do any work over there I would like to know that you would be happy with me updating/adding a new entry for NextPVR on the xbmc webpage re: PVR backend's?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Watch_TV_in_XBMC

for NextPVR?

I appear to have been given an OK go ahead from the thread I am on on the xbmc forum that Martin gave me...

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-09, 10:10 PM
Sure, that be good.

steeb
2012-10-09, 10:24 PM
Sure, that be good.

Next 24 hours or so will add NextPVR back-end to xbmc capability of front-end on xbmc wiki. Cheers sub. All my initial tests (call them alpha!, or not) are beyond alpha... Seems to me a bit like the old days testing MVP dongles! But this is even better! Well, as exciting anyway.

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-10, 10:07 PM
Cheers all,

think I have covered NextPVR basics on this page of xbmc wiki?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR#Supported_Backends

can someone be so kind as to give me a pointer to the NextPVR addon on xbmc forum thread as some other backends have?

Will then work on a short descriptive page for NextPVR.

steeb

sub
2012-10-10, 10:12 PM
can someone be so kind as to give me a pointer to the NextPVR addon on xbmc forum thread as some other backends have?We dont have one yet. Maybe just point them to http://forums.gbpvr.com/forumdisplay.php?54-XBMC for now, which will at least prompt them to ask the questions in the right area.

steeb
2012-10-10, 10:27 PM
cheers muchly as usual,

not sure why I do these things, I think I enjoy them :D

Probably more that I have loved using GB-PVR (as then) and NextPVR now even more!

Anyways main xbmc page for backend PVR should now be thus:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR

NextPVR
Backend OS: Windows
PVR addon OS: Windows, Linux
Addon maintainer: sub3
Addon Forum support topic (currently hosted on the NextPVR website here): NextPVR XBMC Thread
Homepage: nextpvr.com

next question coming up about an actual page! ;)

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-10, 10:31 PM
Thanks, though I'd probably delete that "(currently hosted on the NextPVR website here)" text, since other plugins like ForTheRecord and DVBLink both use links to their own forums without having to say anything like that. Also probably worth changing "NextPVR XBMC Thread" to "NextPVR XBMC Forum" until we have an information thread we can link to.

steeb
2012-10-10, 10:39 PM
Thanks, though I'd probably delete that "(currently hosted on the NextPVR website here)" text, since other plugins like ForTheRecord and DVBLink both use links to their own forums without having to say anything like that. Also probably worth changing "NextPVR XBMC Thread" to "NextPVR XBMC Forum" until we have an information thread we can link to.

Brilliant, thanks sub, I have always liked it when we seem to work in harmony!

Should be fixed now:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR

though I have a suspicion that I could use a link to your user name directly on xbmc forum rather than just a name that needs searching for?

Anyway will follow with my final question for tonight with screenshot that will help with next phase..

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-14, 09:10 PM
Cheers sub,

this page still has the pvr backend content as added/amended as per this thread:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR

Now there is a a new page on the xbmc wiki which is basically a cut and paste from your thread:

http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?52823-Getting-started-with-the-NextPVR-XBMC-addon&p=443771#post443771

That surely give's a good editing basis on what you would like on the xbmc wiki?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR/NextPVR

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-14, 10:05 PM
Thanks, though looking at some of the other addon pages, you probably want something like the following, with sections and formatting like the other addons.

Overview
----------
NextPVR is a free Personal Video Recorder (PVR) application for Microsoft Windows.

NextPVR supports a wide range of digital tuners including DVB-S/S2, DVB-T/T2, DVB-C, DMB-T, ATSC and QAM. NextPVR also supports specialist component/HDMI capture devices (like Hauppauge HDPVR, HDPVR2 and Colossus), and Copy-Freely devices (like Hauppauge DCR-2650 and HDHomeRun Prime). NextPVR supports all broadcast codec's including MPEG-2 and H.264 video, and MPEG1 Layer II, AC3, E-AC3, AAC, HE-AAC audio.

NextPVR v2.5.9 and above is required for XBMC compatibility. On top of 2.5.9, it's recommended you install this patch http://forums.gbpvr.com/showthread.p...751#post443751, which corrects a couple of issues there were found after the initial 2.5.9 release.


Installing NextPVR
--------------------
NextPVR can be downloaded and installed from http://www.nextpvr.com/download. For new users it's recommend you view the quickstart guide before installing http://www.nextpvr.com/nwiki/pmwiki.php?n=QuickStart.QuickStart


Settings
---------
[show screenshot of the settings page]
IP Address: The IP address of the server running NextPVR. 127.0.0.1 can be used if it is running on the same machine.

Port: The port number of the NextPVR web server. The default port for the web server is 8866.

Pin: The pin number required to connect to NextPVR. Leave this as the default 0000 at this stage.


Support
---------
Please post support questions at http://forums.gbpvr.com/forumdisplay.php?54-XBMC

steeb
2012-10-14, 11:29 PM
cheers sub,

a cut and paste for now....

will be improved and settings shot missing tonight:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR/NextPVR

cheers

steeb

jam_zhou
2012-10-15, 06:44 PM
The following link did not pass properly somewhere: http://forums.gbpvr.com/showthread.p...751#post443751

Sykor
2012-10-15, 08:33 PM
Correct links:
Patch: http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?52811-Deleting-recordings&p=443751#post443751
QuickStart http://www.nextpvr.com/nwiki/pmwiki.php?n=QuickStart.QuickStart

Note: do not copy the text itself, as vB usually (as it did) shortens them for visual purposes, but the links.

steeb
2012-10-16, 11:12 PM
Thanks all for input.

This page:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR/NextPVR

should now have all back links working and a few tweaks on the wording etc.

mediawiki not too sharp a learning curve, really v similar to pmwiki :)

Screenshots to follow next unless I have missed something ;)

cheers

steeb

p.s. thought now I see the patch thread I have given seems to have some issues with the patch not working? If you could keep me posted here I will try to keep it up-to-date on the xbmc wiki for now.

steeb
2012-10-18, 11:07 PM
I see the xbmc wiki fairy's have been very busy!

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR

The table on the above page.

Presumably ATSC/QAM should have a yes? The other options look right for now?

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-18, 11:25 PM
Presumably ATSC/QAM should have a yes? The other options look right for now?Yep. I've changed it, and the raspberry pi frontend. Hopefully we'll also be able to get the frontend addon working on iOS/OSX in the near future.

mvallevand
2012-10-18, 11:30 PM
IPTV might still get a Yes based on this user's feedback http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?52739-IPTV-Device-amp-HTTP-Multicast-Streaming

Martin

steeb
2012-10-18, 11:33 PM
Great stuff, cheers sub

steeb
2012-10-18, 11:39 PM
IPTV might still get a Yes based on this user's feedback http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?52739-IPTV-Device-amp-HTTP-Multicast-Streaming

Martin

V interesting Martin. Perhaps IPTV will suddenly throw itself back into the NextPVR mix quicker than expected!

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-18, 11:48 PM
Yep. I've changed it, and the raspberry pi frontend. Hopefully we'll also be able to get the frontend addon working on iOS/OSX in the near future.

Just realised, that's not like you sub! To edit wiki's ;) Are you well and OK? :D

From what I can see the wiki fairy's over at xbmc are doing a really great job of trying to keep on top of all of this.

cheers

steeb

sub
2012-10-18, 11:57 PM
Just realised, that's not like you sub! To edit wiki's ;) Are you well and OK? :DNo, not well. I have the flu. It must be affecting my judgement.

steeb
2012-10-19, 12:04 AM
No, not well. I have the flu. It must be affecting my judgement.

I thought something must be up :eek::D;)

cheers

steeb

p.s. suspect your judgement is not affected, even with man flu! Suspect you quite excited about this possible opening up of your software to new users....... I am!

steeb
2012-10-19, 12:53 AM
Tweaked NextPVR page over at xbmc....

I am quite happy with it:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR/NextPVR

but I may have missed something?

If looks OK next thing will be screenshot!

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-19, 11:43 PM
renamed thread to what is has become now.... NextPVR on xbmc wiki.

Waiting to hear back what is expectation of xbmc wiki and pvr back-ends before too much more work is done, that may be un-done. Soon screenshots!

Understand a load of this is beta, but I do pity the newbie coming across this stuff and not knowing where to begin!

cheers

steeb

steeb
2012-10-20, 12:27 AM
totally given up with the xbmc threads/forum and wiki for tonight. Either I am much thicker than I thought I was or you lot are just more clever than me! I can't believe I had issues with our forum, things that were laid out etc... The xbmc one is IMHO such a mess, I do not know how people follow it! But v steady front-end software.

Thank you all

couple of screenshots attached that may help with configuring this stuff:

whurlston
2012-10-20, 02:20 AM
I can't believe I had issues with our forum, things that were laid out etc... LOL, now you know why we opposed you on changing it. :D

Edit:

Wait! What?? Sub's been doing documentation?? He must be delirious with fever. (I hope it's not contageous.)

Karyudo
2012-10-22, 05:20 AM
steeb, I like what you've done with the NextPVR page on the XBMC wiki. Got a suggestion, though: maybe the wiki entry could be "sexied up" with some features of NPVR that aren't readily available from other backends?

When I was a n00b (last week...), and was looking to pick a backend server, I wanted to know if it would support the hardware (a Hauppauge Colossus and an ATSC tuner) that I'm using -- it does; whether it could handle the services I have (cable and OTA) together -- yes, indeed, which Windows Media Center DOES NOT for Canada; if/how I could get Canadian guide data for my providers -- it turns out the answer is "Schedules Direct", which is supported natively by NPVR; if the backend would do adjacent recordings on the same ATSC channel "correctly", by duplicating part of the second show in the first show's post-roll, and part of the first show in the second show's pre-roll -- damn right it does, which Windows Media Center DOES NOT; and whether I could archive recordings on my home server while preserving the Recordings database -- I think I can, via the GuidePlus plugin for NPVR.

So for me, as a long-time XBMC user looking for a backend, a wiki page that not only gave the dry specs on hardware and codec support, but also highlighted some of these great features, would make it easy to choose NPVR as the backend.

Not to denigrate the obviously good work the folks at MythTV and MediaPortal have done, but for me MythTV was a non-starter because Linux doesn't support the Colossus, and MediaPortal was a non-finisher because it ended up requiring too many extra bits and pieces (to get guide info, for example) and being somewhat Euro-centric in its documentation (e.g. it sounds pretty easy to get guide info from DVB-T, but that does not help me in Canada). NextPVR met all the requirements, and I was able to pretty much breeze through the setup and configuration without much difficulty. I think all this should be pointed out in the XBMC wiki!

steeb
2012-10-22, 10:28 PM
steeb, I like what you've done with the NextPVR page on the XBMC wiki. Got a suggestion, though: maybe the wiki entry could be "sexied up" with some features of NPVR that aren't readily available from other backends?

When I was a n00b (last week...), and was looking to pick a backend server, I wanted to know if it would support the hardware (a Hauppauge Colossus and an ATSC tuner) that I'm using -- it does; whether it could handle the services I have (cable and OTA) together -- yes, indeed, which Windows Media Center DOES NOT for Canada; if/how I could get Canadian guide data for my providers -- it turns out the answer is "Schedules Direct", which is supported natively by NPVR; if the backend would do adjacent recordings on the same ATSC channel "correctly", by duplicating part of the second show in the first show's post-roll, and part of the first show in the second show's pre-roll -- damn right it does, which Windows Media Center DOES NOT; and whether I could archive recordings on my home server while preserving the Recordings database -- I think I can, via the GuidePlus plugin for NPVR.

So for me, as a long-time XBMC user looking for a backend, a wiki page that not only gave the dry specs on hardware and codec support, but also highlighted some of these great features, would make it easy to choose NPVR as the backend.

Not to denigrate the obviously good work the folks at MythTV and MediaPortal have done, but for me MythTV was a non-starter because Linux doesn't support the Colossus, and MediaPortal was a non-finisher because it ended up requiring too many extra bits and pieces (to get guide info, for example) and being somewhat Euro-centric in its documentation (e.g. it sounds pretty easy to get guide info from DVB-T, but that does not help me in Canada). NextPVR met all the requirements, and I was able to pretty much breeze through the setup and configuration without much difficulty. I think all this should be pointed out in the XBMC wiki!

Dear Karyudo. Thank you very much for your input here. Having seen your excellent work over here on the NextPVR wiki I would humbly suggest that you get yourself a wiki edit account over on the xbmc wiki? ;)

That way perhaps we could both help each other to improve those pages?

I have had some resistance from the xbmc wiki editor's as to how I laid out some stuff, I have not heard anything back. Perhaps between the 2 of us we could help and even dare I say advise!

cheers

steeb

Karyudo
2012-10-27, 03:45 PM
OK, I'm signed up over at XBMC.org. Haven't made any edits yet, though. I'll be out of the country for the next week, starting Sunday. But when I get back, I'll get right to it.