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    Possible N-PVR Wiki

    Dear all,

    firstly apologies if there has been some confusion over all the talk of a new N-PVR wiki. I think the release of N-PVR caught some by surprise (certainly me!) as it appears to be dramatically different from its predecessors. I could not see how a lot of documentation pertaining to N-PVR would sit (and work) well alongside the current wiki content.

    I don't think what was grasped was the need for an immediate solution for the developers wishing to publish new content related to N-PVR.

    I have created here: http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/N-PVR/N-PVR

    a new group as N-PVR (don't know if I should have called it N-PVR, I have seen many permutations!)

    Perhaps a downside is that it really does demand for the creation of new content as in effect it is a possible start of a new wiki solely for N-PVR, the upsides are that it leaves the existing wiki intact for GB-PVR as it is, it is a 'clean slate' and is easily portable to any future 'new wiki'.

    Is this perhaps the way to go?
    If so for me the first questions would be about structure, specifically for now 'plugins' and 'skins' in which case what would be the best way to approach this, through a poll or just from comments?

    best cheers

    Steeb
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    The left menu may need a different organizational structure to help separate the two. How does one know where to go for skins and plugins for N-PVR, ect.

    Maybe the main page should be a "fork" page? Looking for GBPVR, click here, Looking for N-PVR, click here. Those take you to new "Start Pages" for each application. Wiki magic would have to be applied to get the left menus to be application specific.
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    Hiya Fatman_do

    The left menu may need a different organizational structure to help separate the two. How does one know where to go for skins and plugins for N-PVR, ect.
    I included a 'link' to N-PVR in the left menu, perhaps I could have placed it in a more visible place? In theory (he said with fingers crossed!) by creating a new group for N-PVR we can now place any links we like to newly created pages for skins/plugins within the new N-PVR group under that N-PVR link exactly as we would have with the existing wiki. However they would all be N-PVR specific and contained within the N-PVR group which in effect means what will be created is a totally separate N-PVR wiki within the existing wiki! If that makes sense, I'm not too great at explaining myself sometimes.

    Maybe the main page should be a "fork" page? Looking for GBPVR, click here, Looking for N-PVR, click here. Those take you to new "Start Pages" for each application. Wiki magic would have to be applied to get the left menus to be application specific.
    I was a bit previous here too and re-wrote the blurb at the top of the main page to point to what is in effect an N-PVR homepage as per link at start of thread. What I do not know is whether wiki magic can be worked so that once entering the N-PVR section the GB-PVR stuff could disappear or this could be confusing for even if you were on the N-PVR homepage if you looked left you would see skins/etc but of course these would be referring to GB-PVR stuff, the new skins section would only appear under the N-PVR link?! Once again I hope that makes sense?

    Steeb

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    What I do not know is whether wiki magic can be worked so that once entering the N-PVR section the GB-PVR stuff could disappear or this could be confusing for even if you were on the N-PVR homepage if you looked left you would see skins/etc but of course these would be referring to GB-PVR stuff, the new skins section would only appear under the N-PVR link?! Once again I hope that makes sense?
    Actually, as usual, I realise how rubbish my posts are

    In my haste to find a way for the devs to find a new wiki home for their N-PVR creations I haven't said everything! I didn't mean to with-hold information really, just wanted to see if there were takers for this idea before putting time & effort into helping create it.

    What I should have added!

    By creating N-PVR as a group it holds itself in a separate folder on the wiki and therefore everything contained within it can become a 'wiki' within itself. By creation of this 'group' there is another stage possible within pmwiki which is to create a 'farm', in essence this means that 2 entirely separate wikis can co-exist on the same server but with 2 separate identities i.e. ...../pmwiki/gbpvr and ...../pmwiki/N-PVR

    But in order to achieve the 'farm' this does require ftp access to sub's server and some 'tweaking' of pmwiki config.php etc.

    So if we went with N-PVR 'group' on the wiki for now, in the long term it in effect does become a separate wiki with no need to worry about different nav issues etc

    I bet I've done it again and just confused everything, I do hope not!

    best

    Steeb

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    Dear all,

    I feel my life is complete now

    Seriously, have done my last bit of tweaking with this for now, possible N-PVR wiki seems to work and it is set up as before here: http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/N-PVR/N-PVR

    Even has its own sidebar navigation!

    I know I may have come across a bit grumpy with my posts in the recent few weeks but only 'cos I love the wiki and wanted to protect the current one yet find a way forward.

    I understand if 'my ideas' may not wash, but hey I always said anyone taking on board a new wiki would have an uphill struggle

    Very best

    Steeb

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    I'm writing documentation for my next NPVR plugin and I can tell you categorically that I will not add everything needed to make it to that page. It will be available from the Television Plugins page on the GBPVR forum as well on the maintained Plugin list.

    Martin

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    I think that is just the main page for it as he did say

    Even has its own sidebar navigation!
    So to me that sounds like it going to expand from there........

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    Hiya Martin

    I'm writing documentation for my next NPVR plugin and I can tell you categorically that I will not add everything needed to make it to that page. It will be available from the Television Plugins page on the GBPVR forum as well on the maintained Plugin list.
    I think I've read your post right here

    I really need to work on my posts! And the way I write them!

    What would you need to 'make it to that page'? Or are you saying you just wouldn't?

    As per another post I replied to you with, current wiki enables you to do whatever you like, BUT even if you link to 'maintained plugin' list I can't see that anyone is working on a 'maintained' list compatible with N-PVR on the current wiki. I wish they were and then I would simply be shush!

    The current wiki simply cannot handle the change between GB-PVR and N-PVR without defeating everybody?

    very best

    Steeb

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    I think that is just the main page for it as he did say

    Even has its own sidebar navigation!
    So to me that sounds like it going to expand from there........
    Thanks Jaggy, as usual I say my posts are rubbish, but Mrs Steeb always says I talk about stuff like everyone knows what I'm talking about, even though I've rushed ahead 40 places!

    Quite correct, what I have shown is a main page for N-PVR, we work onwards and upwards from this, if community wants!

    cheers

    Steeb

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    I'm writing documentation for my next NPVR plugin and I can tell you categorically that I will not add everything needed to make it to that page. It will be available from the Television Plugins page on the GBPVR forum as well on the maintained Plugin list.
    Hi Martin,

    now I think I really understand. This is just a homepage for possible N-PVR wiki, as per old wiki all skins/plugins etc etc etc would have individual pages! I can't act without the community agreeing to layout, and in fact wouldn't want to. But I have worked very hard at trying to find a solution for wiki things..........

    very best

    Steeb

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