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    Quote Originally Posted by Barsk View Post
    Hi UncleJohnsBand,

    sorry for not replying earlier. Well, for doing something you hate, I am impressed. You did my work already!

    But I think that the Apache Axis framework is a tool that greatly simplifies a lot of the hazzles you went through with you low level approach. So I think the 20 times more effort estimate can be readily reduced to somewhere near the MS experiance.

    Now for some ramblings. Bear with me
    I have no experiance (yet) with either MS WS support or the Axis dito, so I cannot tell wich one is simpler or better. One thing for sure though, and this is from my heart. The Visual Studio environment happens to be great. And all is well. But what happens the day you are NOT satisfied with Visual Studio or the way that MS develops the platform. Or the day you need to buy a license just to build things. Then you are stuck indeed. Or what if you clients (if you have any ) want you to deploy your stuff on Linux? Or you need some other support package or library that .NET does not cover? The Open Source community outside MS is awesome and what has been achieved is fantastic.
    My development platform is Eclipse and Java, my deployment platform is Tomcat. My database engine os MySQL. All for free, all top class. And all can be substituted for other components at any time if something else comes up. I just love this world of openness and free choice.
    End of rambling!

    Had to let it out though It is a shame that MS has not created a real of .NET API for Java. Once they where fully commited to Java and my first project was built on MS J++. But then I guess they felt they lost control and did not earn enough money as there where other free tools so they just stuffed the whole Java plan. That was when I got pissed and looked elsewhere. However I do use Windows OS and such as my primary OS. It is still the best! (or maybe MacOs is the best, but it is too limited for me).
    Ohh, that was way OT!
    See project mono for .Net on linux(and other platforms).....no worries with cross-platform compatibility.

    I think if you look into it Axis is an older implementation of what JAX-WS incorporated into the Java language set directly. At work we have a few AXIS based services....but have since moved to JAX-WS since it is mainstream. The IDE (NetBeans in this case) hides the complexity as does the Axis framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleJohnsBand View Post
    See project mono for .Net on linux(and other platforms).....no worries with cross-platform compatibility.
    Yes, I am aware of the Mono plattform. However, it is a project that is created by the Open Source community, not by MS. Much if the underlying API:s in MS is hidden or secret. Something they have gotten a fair bit of criticism about. I know that earlier there has been some compatibility problems.
    That said, I haven't used Mono and have no experiance with later versions of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by UncleJohnsBand View Post
    I think if you look into it Axis is an older implementation of what JAX-WS incorporated into the Java language set directly. At work we have a few AXIS based services....but have since moved to JAX-WS since it is mainstream. The IDE (NetBeans in this case) hides the complexity as does the Axis framework.
    Ok, I stand corrected!
    I am a newbie in the field of SOAP based WS so much of the confusion is because of that.

    Btw, Eclipse has JAX-WS support built-in as well. I don't think there is that much difference between the IDE:s in that respect.

    And to round this off. I do not hate MS. I dislike some of their business models and lack of openness in some areas. (Oracle is way worse!) I do not hate SOAP, I just like RESTful better. There is no need to start a flame war. Everybody has the right to develop on whatever platform they like. And my ramblings was probably a bit too much in this context. Sorry.

    I will dig into the development and see how to make some Android App out of all this. That was the original goal of all of this.

    I thank all of you who has helped with the background tech stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barsk View Post
    Yes, I am aware of the Mono plattform. However, it is a project that is created by the Open Source community, not by MS. Much if the underlying API:s in MS is hidden or secret. Something they have gotten a fair bit of criticism about. I know that earlier there has been some compatibility problems.
    That said, I haven't used Mono and have no experiance with later versions of it.

    Ok, I stand corrected!
    I am a newbie in the field of SOAP based WS so much of the confusion is because of that.

    Btw, Eclipse has JAX-WS support built-in as well. I don't think there is that much difference between the IDE:s in that respect.

    And to round this off. I do not hate MS. I dislike some of their business models and lack of openness in some areas. (Oracle is way worse!) I do not hate SOAP, I just like RESTful better. There is no need to start a flame war. Everybody has the right to develop on whatever platform they like. And my ramblings was probably a bit too much in this context. Sorry.

    I will dig into the development and see how to make some Android App out of all this. That was the original goal of all of this.

    I thank all of you who has helped with the background tech stuff!
    No flame war here.....personally I perfer working above the covers....I don't need the under-the-covers stuff......I leave that for system engineers.

    You may want to send a PM to bgowland....he has been working on an Android client via the web service interface and has something working......

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleJohnsBand View Post
    No flame war here.....personally I perfer working above the covers....I don't need the under-the-covers stuff......I leave that for system engineers.
    Yeah, but those building the Mono stuff needs it. MS does not officially support Mono (to my knowledge). Why would they? They want customers to deploy on Windows server, not Linux. This is one of my main issues with MS, they never do anything for free. Sun Microsystems on the other hand gave Java away for free. And created the whole Java industry on that. It is a pity Oracle was allowed to buy them. Google is another company giving stuff away for free and making tons of money of that. You CAN make money without being so darn greedy all the time. ...rambling again, sorry...
    Quote Originally Posted by UncleJohnsBand View Post
    You may want to send a PM to bgowland....he has been working on an Android client via the web service interface and has something working......
    Ok, will do. But now I am consumed by day-time work unfortunaltely. Need to get my head up over those piles of work first...
    Last edited by Barsk; 2011-02-10 at 09:29 AM.

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