Recurring recordings not picking up all recurring programmes

johnsonx42 · 2013-11-15, 02:34 PM

Reddwarf Wrote:...what I see is that to collect one week of epg from dvb-t you need to scan some 3 1/2 minute, while npvr just scans for one minute.

If that's the case wouldn't one increase <EPGScanSeconds>60</EPGScanSeconds> to 240 or 300 to fix the issue?

NigelG · 2013-11-15, 02:54 PM

Could it really bethat simple johnsonx42?

I'm surprised I am the first to come across the issue? I suppose there are so many different countries with so many different methods of collecting EPG data I may be the only one relying on DVB-T in the UK?

martint123 · 2013-11-15, 03:40 PM

NigelG Wrote:Could it really bethat simple johnsonx42?

I'm surprised I am the first to come across the issue? I suppose there are so many different countries with so many different methods of collecting EPG data I may be the only one relying on DVB-T in the UK?

I use the DVB-T epg on my HP microserver (mainly test and standby machine) and get the following and I have not come across the problems you mention.

Code:
2013-11-15 08:11:05.140    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 112 listings for channel: 5 USA

2013-11-15 08:11:05.140    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 155 listings for channel: Channel 5+1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 131 listings for channel: QUEST

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 87 listings for channel: ITV2 +1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 84 listings for channel: ITV3

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 697 listings for channel: BBC 2 HD

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 597 listings for channel: BBC One HD

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 644 listings for channel: ITV1 HD

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 844 listings for channel: Channel 4 HD

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 149 listings for channel: 303

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 157 listings for channel: Sky News

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 108 listings for channel: Pick TV

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 116 listings for channel: Challenge

2013-11-15 08:11:05.141    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 125 listings for channel: E4+1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 92 listings for channel: Really

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 69 listings for channel: Movie Mix

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 79 listings for channel: Yesterday

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 56 listings for channel: Film4+1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 96 listings for channel: 4seven

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 87 listings for channel: ITV4

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 66 listings for channel: BBC FOUR

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 42 listings for channel: 301

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 35 listings for channel: 302

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 83 listings for channel: ITV1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 89 listings for channel: ITV2

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 92 listings for channel: ITV +1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 130 listings for channel: Channel 4

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 78 listings for channel: More 4

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 118 listings for channel: E4

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 111 listings for channel: Channel 4+1

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 97 listings for channel: 5*

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 33 listings for channel: 5 Later

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 43 listings for channel: Dave ja vu

2013-11-15 08:11:05.142    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 80 listings for channel: Dave

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 86 listings for channel: BBC ONE

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 97 listings for channel: BBC TWO

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 70 listings for channel: BBC THREE

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 148 listings for channel: BBC NEWS

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 24 listings for channel: BBC Red Button

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 151 listings for channel: CBeebies

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 53 listings for channel: Film4

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 152 listings for channel: Channel 5

2013-11-15 08:11:05.143    [DEBUG][10]     - saving 92 listings for channel: CBBC Channel

NigelG · 2013-11-15, 04:15 PM

Thanks Martin123,

The numbers you get are significantly higher than do when things appear to be going wrong.

I see from your log file that BBC One HD has 597 listings where as BBC One (I assume SD) only has 86 listings. I wouldn't expect such a big difference for what is almost the same channel?

Again I may not be understanding the meaning of 'listing' in the log?

Nigel

Lao Pan · 2013-11-15, 04:29 PM

According to Sub the epg for a mux should be broadcast within a minute on that mux according to the DVB-T standard. - to get the whole epg from one mux takes about 7 1/2 mins in the UK.

I used to have exactly the same symptoms in the early NPVR days then went to DVBGuide for a couple of years.
Back earlier this year when Sub got the HD epg working I tested using NPVR Native support - and am still using it. As long as I have the update time set to about 05:00 hrs the update is fairly reliable.
One thing you need to make sure is that the computer is awake for long enough to get all the muxes. There is a reg key so that you can set un-attended wake time out in power profiles.

NigelG · 2013-11-15, 04:42 PM

Hi Lao Pan,

Didn't quite follow your post...

You say in the UK the EPG should be sent with 1 minute for a [single] mux, but you then say a whole EPG from one mux takes about 7 1/2 minutes...

Locally we have 6 Muxes for SD, I don't have HD at the moment.

I have extend the EPG update to 300 seconds as suggested by Johnsonx42 and asked for an EPG update (I didn't clear the EPG data) looking at the log the resut from the first mux is as follows:

2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 190 listings for channel: 5*
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 216 listings for channel: 5 USA
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 314 listings for channel: Channel 5+1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 286 listings for channel: QUEST
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 122 listings for channel: True Entertainment
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 51 listings for channel: Absolute Radio
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 63 listings for channel: Heart
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 50 listings for channel: Capital FM
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 189 listings for channel: ITV2 +1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 52 listings for channel: ITV3+1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 180 listings for channel: ITV3
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 24 listings for channel: 5 Later
2013-11-15 16:33:14.976 [DEBUG][7] - saving 51 listings for channel: Dave ja vu
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 161 listings for channel: Drama
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 336 listings for channel: Sky News
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 241 listings for channel: Pick
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 207 listings for channel: Dave
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 278 listings for channel: E4+1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 377 listings for channel: Food Network
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 168 listings for channel: Really
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 100 listings for channel: Movie Mix
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 63 listings for channel: Travel Channel
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 138 listings for channel: 4Music
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 202 listings for channel: VIVA
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 183 listings for channel: Yesterday
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 155 listings for channel: Ideal World
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 82 listings for channel: Kiss
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 52 listings for channel: heat
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 49 listings for channel: Kerrang!
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 53 listings for channel: SMOOTH RADIO
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 64 listings for channel: The Hits Radio
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 57 listings for channel: Magic
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 51 listings for channel: KISSTORY
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 88 listings for channel: KISS FRESH
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 83 listings for channel: Film4+1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 198 listings for channel: 4seven
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 291 listings for channel: Al Jazeera Eng
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 162 listings for channel: ITV4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 192 listings for channel: Premier Radio
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 186 listings for channel: BBC ONE
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 216 listings for channel: BBC TWO
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 119 listings for channel: BBC THREE
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 302 listings for channel: BBC NEWS
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 2 listings for channel: BBC Red Button
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 99 listings for channel: BBC FOUR
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 223 listings for channel: CBBC Channel
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 399 listings for channel: CBeebies
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 83 listings for channel: BBC Parliament
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 83 listings for channel: BBC R5L
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 50 listings for channel: BBC R5SX
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 88 listings for channel: BBC 6 Music
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 328 listings for channel: BBC Radio 4 Ex
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 79 listings for channel: BBC R1X
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 57 listings for channel: BBC Asian Net.
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 483 listings for channel: BBC World Sv.
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 89 listings for channel: BBC Radio 1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 89 listings for channel: BBC Radio 2
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 80 listings for channel: BBC Radio 3
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 322 listings for channel: BBC Radio 4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 213 listings for channel: ITV
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 201 listings for channel: ITV2
2013-11-15 16:33:14.977 [DEBUG][7] - saving 214 listings for channel: ITV +1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 270 listings for channel: Channel 4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 92 listings for channel: Film4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 170 listings for channel: More 4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 297 listings for channel: E4
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 269 listings for channel: Channel 4+1
2013-11-15 16:33:14.978 [DEBUG][7] - saving 360 listings for channel: Channel 5

I have 186 listings for BBC One which seems in the ball park of what I should expect ?

Thanks for all the ideas

Nigel

ACTCMS · 2013-11-15, 04:54 PM

I use the DVB-T EPG and in general it's fine.

When I've had problems in the past with incomplete listings, it has usually been down to a weak signal.

Alex

NigelG · 2013-11-15, 05:11 PM

Thanks ACTCMS,

I did have the idea of a weak signal in the back of my mind.

It's a shame we can't see signal strength, and more importantly signal quality, more easily. I understand that each tuner has a different method of reporting but in my case I use two dual tuner dongles and being able to keep an eye on relative values would be useful even if the results can't be compared between different models/manufacturers.

I do keep an eye on the reported values in the logs but its difficult to be sure the signal is adequate. I don't see any issues with the Programmes I actually record and then playback which suggests the signal is good enough? However the EPG data may be the first to suffer if the signal is borderline. I am relatively close to the transmitter (about 6 miles), it is the main one for the area, not a repeater, and have clear line of sight. I have also used a decent passive splitter to feed the two inputs of the two dongles.

But I will keep this in mind as I continue to try things

Regards

Nigel

martint123 · 2013-11-15, 10:11 PM

NigelG Wrote:I see from your log file that BBC One HD has 597 listings where as BBC One (I assume SD) only has 86 listings. I wouldn't expect such a big difference for what is almost the same channel?

I hadn't noticed that before (very rarely have to peruse the logs) and I can't think of a reason for it or any way to compare the two. The EPG looks similar between the two channels at first glance.

servalan · (This post was last modified: 2013-11-16, 09:03 AM by servalan.)

johnsonx42 Wrote:If that's the case wouldn't one increase <EPGScanSeconds>60</EPGScanSeconds> to 240 or 300 to fix the issue?

& it doesn't explain the difference in the update mechanism from a manual epg update & the built-in one. Don't they use the same setting?

No problems with signal here, so that isn't a factor. The only variable between a reliable & unreliable EPG update here that I can find is that the built-in EPG update doesn't work, running it manually either from the Settings screen or from a .bat file works fine.

I have tried varying times for the built-in EPG update, doesn't seem to make a difference to reliability of the update. Machine is on 24/7 & PCI devices (Hauppauge 2200 & a Leadtek 3200H) do not sleep, so that's not a factor here either. Happy to help debug, just let me know what info needs to be collected. FWIW, 2.0.3 was EPG update reliable. 2.4.3 & 2.6.2 both unreliable.

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