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[mvallevand]

Another factor might be is if you schedule a recurring recording on a live show the live show won't be picked up.

If you can identify a use case that isn't met today with pvr.nextpvr rules let me know.

[ShadowMask]

If you can identify a use case that isn't met today with pvr.nextpvr rules let me know.

I think nextpvr itself works fine for my needs, the issue is that if you want to only use kodi frontend (which my family do) then you don't really get the benefit of what nextpvr can do. As soon as I logged into the webgui and changed every scheduler set in kodi to Record Series (Daily, this timeslot) then everything has worked as expected without having multiple repeats scheduled etc.

Maybe over time nextpvr would stop adding so many shows due to unique identifiers, but if you are new and just use nextpvr from kodi then it's a bit overwhelming if you record a lot of shows that are repeated a lot of times.

If the scheduler in nextpvr was set to Record Series (Daily, this timeslot) when you set a Recording: Repeating (Guide) from kodi, then from what I can see, this would make just using kodi a viable option, but as it is, I currently will have to manually change every scheduler to Record Series (Daily, this timeslot) whenever anyone adds a timer from kodi.

It would be ideal if you could select what nextpvr scheduler type is created for kodi's timer types, at least the default Recording: Repeating (Guide) to make it easier for all depending on their needs, but I don't know if this is even possible?

Thanks for all of your help

[mvallevand]

I guess I will need to check, the recording recording guide should only be at the time you selected in Kodi on the channel you selected.

If you can do a test and create a recording recurring guide in Kodi Id like to see the NextPVR logs. The unique id logic will be the same but perhaps there is a backend difference sub could look at.

Martin

[ShadowMask]

If you can do a test and create a recording recurring guide in Kodi Id like to see the NextPVR logs.  The unique id logic will be the same but perhaps there is a backend difference sub could look at.

Thanks Martin,
I was testing disabling the power button on my HTPC this morning and had to reboot a few times, so not sure if that will look odd in the logs, however after I booted up for the last time I did the following: 

I went into kodi tvguide and added a new timer for Antiques Road Trip as Recording: Repeating (Guide) I didn't change any of the other settings and just saved it. I thought this would be the type of programme that repeats a lot, so good to test hopefully.

I then went into nextpvr webgui and viewed the recurring scheduler which shows as Record Series (All Episodes). This results in too many episodes being recorded - repeats, previous series re-runs - etc. I would suggest a better scheduler in nextpvr would be Record Series (Daily, this timeslot), or at least offer some way for the user to specify/overide this as the default in nextpvr when the Repeating (Guide) timer is added from kodi.

Logs are attached, 
Thank you

[mvallevand]

The logs are not clear I see the save from Kodi and it is not scheduling extra episodes because I see

-02-27 07:51:12.391 [DEBUG][3] ...already got this episode scheduled

However NextPVR is ignoring the start time so this seems to be be a backend bug. When sub is available he will need to to check why.

For episodic shows like this I would assume that you would specify the day of the week though. Daily makes more sense for news programs

[ShadowMask]

-02-27 07:51:12.391 [DEBUG][3] ...already got this episode scheduled

It did wake up the HTPC and start recording at 11am today for that show, I set the timer initially from an entry at 7pm tonight.

For episodic shows like this I would assume that you would specify the day of the week though.  Daily makes more sense for news programs

I'm not so sure about that, certainly in the uk a lot of shows are daily and even some new nightime dramas may be shown say 2 or 3 days a week rather than the traditional one day.

I guess the point is that as a one click solution to record what you want after selecting a show at the time it is on, Daily with time slot will not miss any show if it is daily or weeky broadcast in that timeslot, whereas Weekly with timeslot will only record the first show in the week if it is actually a daily show.

Thanks Martin

[mvallevand]

My point was you have that show recording not just with that test from Kodi so it is not a clean test.

Sub will need to look at why guide based series recordings don't respect the start time. I don't think the xml API identifies timeslot and I don't want to force change a decade long setting until it can be fully tested by other users in Kodi 22. I've already got a PR ready to change recording priorities that will take priority in 22

Martin

[ShadowMask]

My point was you have that show recording not just with that test from Kodi so it is not a clean test.

I'm not sure what this means? I have never recorded that show before and just added a timer to kodi for it for the test, are you saying it was already set to record? I did have Antiques Roadshow set before, but the new timer was for Antiques Road Trip which is a different show.

Sub will need to look at why guide based series recordings don't respect the start time.  I don't think the xml API identifies timeslot  and I don't want to force  change a decade long setting until it can be fully tested by other users in Kodi 22.  I've already got a PR ready to change recording priorities that will take priority in 22

That's fine, I have a workaround to manually adjust new timers whenever they are added. I'm not sure I fully get what you are saying about the xml api though, I would imagine that saving the timer as a scheduler in nextpvr is handled by the nextpvr client in kodi, does that use the xml api to do this?

If kodi worked in the same way as the nextpvr webgui where you had a choice of how to save when you click on an item in the guide such as Record Series (All Episodes), Record Series (Daily, this timeslot) or Record Series (Weekly, this timeslot) then this would be ideal, but if the functionality isn't there to do that in kodi, then is there a possibility to allow a kodi user to specify in the nextpvr client that they would like Recording: Repeating (Guide) to be saved as either a Record Series (All Episodes) or Record Series (Daily, this timeslot) or Record Series (Weekly, this timeslot) recurring scheduler within nextpvr?

Thanks

[mvallevand]

For the last month I was on vacation so everything was by phone. What a difference to see everything on a 4k display and to be able to search and filter logs.

The NextPVR XML API is API Kodi uses. There is also a JSON API I am more familiar with. Regardless XML does identify type timeslot recordings but Kodi only handle these by setting the time start and stop filters. As noted before I do anything sub will have to have to explain why the start and end time parameter are not being used. He designed this interface and perhaps it is a simple oversight as the more recent work has been on the web and UI clients.

Martin

[ShadowMask]

For the last month I was on vacation so everything was by phone.  What a difference to see everything on a 4k display and to be able to search and filter logs.

The NextPVR XML API is API Kodi uses.  There is also a JSON API I am more familiar with.  Regardless XML does identify type timeslot recordings but Kodi only handle these by setting the time start and stop filters.  As noted before I do anything sub will have to have to explain why the start and end time parameter are not being used.  He designed this interface and perhaps it is a simple oversight as the more recent work has been on the web and UI clients.

Martin

No problem,
Thanks for answering my barrage of questions, and I really do appreciate all the time you are giving to this.

Thank you