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2025-08-06, 05:52 AM
(2025-08-05, 11:46 PM)mvallevand Wrote: @Joram I don't know enough about your current and proposed system to make any real recommendations.  The way I read it the old hardware you are talking about is the VMC4100 which uses local 1TB media storage and not cloud storage.  There are also IPC41000 devices that can access it.  My gut says you have one VMC4100 somewhere but also have standalong NextpVR PC's on cable card (with wifi) and don't use NextPVR clients.

Current cableco approaches are no longer client/server they use IP delivery which sound like the VMC4100ATV which are all clients to the cloud. 

There is typically no way to grab recordings from either the STB server or the cloud storage.

@fla there are are use cases to have access to the current cable STB plus my capture deivce has pasthrough.  There is catchup TV and often you can play any show in the guide, on demand and schedule and access cloud recordings in addition to just one tuner in the STB used by NextPVR.  Often you't don't need to a waste any HDMI tuners for NextPVR, since many TV's support NextPVR clients or Kodi directly. 

Martin

Martin, your description of our current setup is close to what we have. We have standalone Windows Media Center PCs with CableCARDs and also an earlier generation of Verizon boxes, the VMS1100 and the IPC1100 (one of each). The way we have arranged it, none of these machines "talks" to any of the others.

Now when the CableCARDs eventually get deactivated, WMC will become useless and, if we are to stay with Verizon TV, we'll have to go all-in for their boxes... which I'm hoping will be the VMS4100 rather than the VMS4100ATV. Some customers on the Verizon community forum report success in getting the unwanted 4100ATV's replaced with 4100's.

We can call this a kind of contingency planning. Let's assume the worst and say that when the change comes, Verizon will only provide the VMS4100ATV, which as you point out is basically an IPTV streaming box. In that case, what would be the options for a NextPVR system -- they wouldn't be limited, would they, to whatever signals we manage to get off an antenna, plus whatever legal M3U's a streaming service might happen to publish?

Or in other words, there still would be a use for an Hauppauge or other HDMI capture device, no? From your reply to @fla above, I get the sense that NextPVR can use at least one STB tuner, but maybe that doesn't apply to the new generation of STBs.

Just trying to get a general read on how broad or narrow the options would be for people who do a lot of recording from a lot of different linear TV channels.
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2025-08-06, 12:27 PM
@joram: Give all the details to Martin and follow his advice. My setup was made before I had a smart TV so each TV has a kodi capable device next to it. Don't have the energy to change my setup now that I have a smart TV. Share what works in the end so others can benefit and perhaps improve their setup.

Caveats:

Basting the STB to change channels on a new STB can fail as I did here so I stuck with my old TV provider.

If I use my STB's features I have to make sure I leave it in the right state for NextPVR use (ON and playing any channel). In some menus the STB will timeout and go to a screen saver that shows ads. If a NextPVR recording is scheduled, it only blasts the channel number so NextPVR can end up recording hours of ads or a menu. I pay for the cheapest STB (no recording ability) and let NextPVR be my main GUI and recordings always work.
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2025-08-06, 01:34 PM (This post was last modified: 2025-08-06, 01:41 PM by mvallevand.)
I can't image a world where they would give you 3 x VMS4100 as replacements. Maybe you could get one VMS4100 and up to 4 IPC4100.

Looking at the specs for the VMS4100ATV seems it is just a server it doesn't even have HDMI so you need their FireTV+ boxes. I a surprised they don't offer cloud storage. None of my posts care which HDMI device you use though, the important part is IR tuning. It seems that these need an IR adapter https://www.verizon.com/home/accessories...s-tv-plus/ (and the link isn't working for me) I can't guarantee it will work with the HDPVR but it appears to be using the old codes for STB. I also don't know about any screensaver that might need to activated as I posted earlier. I can handle this with my Xfinity/Rogers STB but need LIRC and not just the Hauppauge blaster.

A lot of recording isn't the issue with services like YouTube TV will let you recording every channel plus 3 live tv streams. Retention is the bigger issue, they get deleted in 9 months.

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2025-08-06, 05:18 PM
(2025-08-06, 12:27 PM)fla Wrote: @joram: Give all the details to Martin and follow his advice. My setup was made before I had a smart TV so each TV has a kodi capable device next to it. Don't have the energy to change my setup now that I have a smart TV. Share what works in the end so others can benefit and perhaps improve their setup.

Caveats:

Basting the STB to change channels on a new STB can fail as I did here so I stuck with my old TV provider.

If I use my STB's features I have to make sure I leave it in the right state for NextPVR use (ON and playing any channel). In some menus the STB will timeout and go to a screen saver that shows ads. If a NextPVR recording is scheduled, it only blasts the channel number so NextPVR can end up recording hours of ads or a menu. I pay for the cheapest STB (no recording ability) and let NextPVR be my main GUI and recordings always work.

Thanks @fla, will do.

With your setup, how many different channels can you record on NextPVR at the same time? I'm guessing that you can record as many channels as your STB has tuners, but want to check and make sure.
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2025-08-06, 05:18 PM
(2025-08-06, 01:34 PM)mvallevand Wrote: I can't image a world where they would give you 3 x VMS4100 as replacements.  Maybe you could get one VMS4100 and up to 4 IPC4100. 

Looking at the specs for the VMS4100ATV seems it is just a server it doesn't even have HDMI so you need their FireTV+ boxes.  I a surprised they don't offer cloud storage.  None of my posts care which HDMI device you use though, the important part is IR tuning.  It seems that these need an IR adapter https://www.verizon.com/home/accessories...s-tv-plus/ (and the link isn't working for me)  I can't guarantee it will work with the HDPVR but it appears to be using the old codes for STB.  I also don't know about any screensaver that might need to activated as I posted earlier.  I can handle this with my Xfinity/Rogers STB but need LIRC and not just the Hauppauge blaster.

A lot of recording isn't the issue with services like YouTube TV will let you recording every channel plus 3 live tv streams.  Retention is the bigger issue, they get deleted in 9 months.

Martin

Determining whether the VMS4100ATV has or doesn't have HDMI output has been an exercise in frustration. The photos of the back vary around the Web, and even Verizon's official instructions seem to show the older VMS4100 (see page 5). I did find a website that shows what looks like the newer (ATV) model, but I can't find that page on Verizon's own site. Huh  If it's accurate, though, then this is good news as it does have HDMI.

I did manage to get to the page for the Verizon IR adapter (thank you). This IR adapter would be used in addition to the Hauppauge's blaster, is that right?

About the limited time for retention of recordings -- yep, that's a big reason I'm so keen on exploring a NextPVR setup for us.
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2025-08-06, 06:11 PM (This post was last modified: 2025-08-06, 06:15 PM by mvallevand.)
If you follow your links to the VMS4100ATV you will see the HDMI port is shown in the step on setting up the FiosTV+ device not the VMS. Technically the VMS isn't need for NextPVR either.

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2025-08-06, 09:43 PM
(2025-08-06, 06:11 PM)mvallevand Wrote: If you follow your links to the VMS4100ATV you will see the HDMI port is shown in the step on setting up the FiosTV+ device not the VMS.  Technically the VMS isn't need for NextPVR either.

Martin

Thanks for pointing that out! In that case, then, would the following setup work to record programming through a NextPVR-equipped PC:

FiosTV+ device HDMI output --> HDPVR2 HDMI In and then Out --> NextPVR-PC HDMI In

Or, because of the HDCP issue, maybe the following:

FiosTV+ device HDMI output --> LinkPi HDMI In and then Out (?) --> NextPVR-PC HDMI In (?)

(As an aside, it's interesting that one might be able to dispense with the VMS server and go with the IPC clients exclusively.)
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2025-08-06, 09:57 PM
Ignoring IR blasters I expect you would have either

FiosTV+ device HDMI output ->HDMI "splitter" --> HDPVR2 HDMI in  From there it is USB to NextPVR and NextPVR should detect it assuming you have loaded the Hauppauge drivers.  As I said check FB Marketplace, Kijiji and ebay.  I have seen them around $40.  If you have that to throwaway you could try it with your IPC1100 and even test blasting.

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FiosTV+ device HDMI output --> LinkPi HDMI In From there you use a URL which would be used in an Extra.

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2025-08-07, 04:54 PM
Martin, that's a definite plan!

Considering how important recorded TV is to my wife, I'm eager to test and see how it all works together. Will start shopping for the equipment right away.

I'll start with the first setup, as I understand the concept with the splitter + HDPVR2 better than the one involving the LinkPi.

Many thanks to you and to @fla for all the information and help.
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