a perm crash when I use 'manage recordings'

[bgowland]

MTM is still very popular in troll land. They prefer her meowing kitty to the big scary lion that MGM used.

[johnsonx42]

Was this a flying visit from a troll?
Does anyone in the US record Mary Tyler Moore? Last time it was on in the UK was about 30 years ago!

It's not airing now, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it recently on one of the 'classic' TV channels here (MeTV, ThisTV, Antenna TV). But yes, now that you mention it, that is an odd one to be 'in a hurry to record'.

Troll or not, the OP hasn't been back since firing off that missive. The last activity timestamp was 2 minutes after posting.

[PulseField]

Troll here...

Thank you for you constructive criticism.
Even though there is nothing that an uninstall/reinstall can do to make NPVR stop crashing because its flawless and perfect in every way... aka 'it must be your computer', that turned out to be what corrected that one problem.
Uninstall as in doing that the normal way, then manually deleting the app data folder and files then reinstall and setup NPVR again.
The EPG, as loaded over the air, is still a hit or miss thing.
Yes the tuner is present and active, always has been. I didnt just try the software a couple days ago then give up on it two seconds after that.
Its been working... slowly... and with the EPG usually loading all the channels for a few months now.
Sometimes it will update at its appointed time only partially. Other times with garbled data instead of text.
That isnt a low signal condition. Signal is usually pegged at 100%.
No dropouts, etc in the video.
'Manage recordings' via the web server no longer makes it crash.
It is still very slow. Doesnt act like C at all. More like its an interpreted language.
Click a button on the gui and the gui (at least) should change instantly.
Everything else on that pc does. Freshly and conservatively made and setup just as a PVR without much other software, so isnt a virus either.
NPVR takes 5 seconds just to react to a mouse click.
For those who think NPVR is perfect, therefore its 'your computer'...
Ive heard that before, years ago. Software I now use 24/7/365.
It was crashing in different ways for no reason, whenever it felt like it. That guy insisted its only Your computer. After my 'bitching' for months, he finally found the bug in his software (happened to use MFC too). Now that software has been working crashless on that pc and my other 3 without a problem for over 10 years.
'Its usually the users pc causing the problem' is usually wrong.
Today NPVR finally made a recording again.
It took a complete reinstall, tuner rescan, and the rest of setup back to the same way it was before.
To get the EPG fully populated took 2 reboots and 2 manual EPG update trys before it would scan and load the broadcast EPG data. Reboot, come back later.
Connect via the web interface... server does not exist.
Reboot and connect again, suddenly server exists.
Not what I call stable software and has plenty of room for improvement.

[OTAjunkie]

Got Logs?

Post your logs.

Reboot to complete an EPG update? I never have had to.

[Reddwarf]

Troll here...

Thank you for you constructive criticism.
Even though there is nothing that an uninstall/reinstall can do to make NPVR stop crashing because its flawless and perfect in every way... aka 'it must be your computer', that turned out to be what corrected that one problem.
Uninstall as in doing that the normal way, then manually deleting the app data folder and files then reinstall and setup NPVR again.
The EPG, as loaded over the air, is still a hit or miss thing.
Yes the tuner is present and active, always has been. I didnt just try the software a couple days ago then give up on it two seconds after that.
Its been working... slowly... and with the EPG usually loading all the channels for a few months now.
Sometimes it will update at its appointed time only partially. Other times with garbled data instead of text.
That isnt a low signal condition. Signal is usually pegged at 100%.
No dropouts, etc in the video.
'Manage recordings' via the web server no longer makes it crash.
It is still very slow. Doesnt act like C at all. More like its an interpreted language.
Click a button on the gui and the gui (at least) should change instantly.
Everything else on that pc does. Freshly and conservatively made and setup just as a PVR without much other software, so isnt a virus either.
NPVR takes 5 seconds just to react to a mouse click.
For those who think NPVR is perfect, therefore its 'your computer'...
Ive heard that before, years ago. Software I now use 24/7/365.
It was crashing in different ways for no reason, whenever it felt like it. That guy insisted its only Your computer. After my 'bitching' for months, he finally found the bug in his software (happened to use MFC too). Now that software has been working crashless on that pc and my other 3 without a problem for over 10 years.
'Its usually the users pc causing the problem' is usually wrong.
Today NPVR finally made a recording again.
It took a complete reinstall, tuner rescan, and the rest of setup back to the same way it was before.
To get the EPG fully populated took 2 reboots and 2 manual EPG update trys before it would scan and load the broadcast EPG data. Reboot, come back later.
Connect via the web interface... server does not exist.
Reboot and connect again, suddenly server exists.
Not what I call stable software and has plenty of room for improvement.

I'v run this software since it was born, and yes there are glitches and occationally a bug or two. All software has bugs. But it is lightning fast, never misses an epg update and very very rarely misses a recording. Strange that I never see any problems like yours. And I run it on 3 different brand computers... So it boils down to what it always does. Your computer or your way of using it.

[Sykor]

To get the EPG fully populated took 2 reboots and 2 manual EPG update trys before it would scan and load the broadcast EPG data. Reboot, come back later.
Connect via the web interface... server does not exist.
Reboot and connect again, suddenly server exists.
Not what I call stable software and has plenty of room for improvement.

No one said NPVR is bug free. What they said (myself included) is that it's stable enough to try and recover from a crash situation and keep going. In your case it was not (recovering), and that means something got horribly wrong with your installation. Unusual, but not impossible, and probably fixable.

The only time I remember my setup crashing beyond recovery was my own doing. And even then I managed to correct it without having to reinstall.

Have you recently installed any epg related plugin and/or utility?

Complaining just for the sake of it won't help you. In normal circunstances NPVR should update the EPG without any problems. Like others already said, since NPVR isn't updating the EPG as it should, force an EPG update (mind you, in some situations it's advisable to first "Empty EPG", and only then "Update EPG"), wait for it to finish. Go to \Users\Public\NPVR\logs (in Windows 7), zip them and attach it to your post reply. If not sub himself, someone will look at them, to troubleshoot your problems.

Edit: about NPVR sluggishness. What OS are you running? What Renderer did you set it to use? Shouldn't be that slow. Are experiencing that when viewing directly in the server (main install), or are you using a server/client setup?

[OTAjunkie]

Pulse,
If you really want help getting things working post some details about your computer (specs, OS and such) and for a 4th successive time POST THE LOGS (the log files are located in users\npvr\logs).
Save your broken English desriptions and critiques for later.
If you simply wish to rant and point your finger at everything but yourself troll away.
Simply put "if no logs, you can have this entire thread to yourself".

Oh with all your rebooting to solve problems when was the last time you ran a chkdsk and defrag?(This is a direct question and is easily answered)

[Reddwarf]

I'v run this software since it was born, and yes there are glitches and occationally a bug or two. All software has bugs. But it is lightning fast, never misses an epg update and very very rarely misses a recording. Strange that I never see any problems like yours. And I run it on 3 different brand computers... So it boils down to what it always does. Your computer or your way of using it.

BTW: Have you installed the prerequisites? If you forget/fail to install the VCRedist npvr WILL crash, it will also consume A LOT of cpu and be slow to respond, if at all.

[johnsonx42]

Your methods of seeking help just aren't going to get you anywhere. I get your frustration, but you're going to have to calm down and do what we have asked: reproduce the problems, post logs. Stop going on about how perfect your computer is and what a computer expert you are... we don't care.

[PulseField]

Nothing wrong with how I installed it. How else can you install it?
You double click the exe and do as it says.
Yes I have the most up to date VC redistro installed.
If VC wasnt here it would not run at all.
Originally the VC 2005s now 2008.
That made no difference as to speed.
I have read somewhere that NPVR uses not simply VC++ it also uses C#.
Part of the same thing if the programmer wishes to use it.
If this is true, look up C#.
C# == Java, Java == C# one is Sun one is Microsoft. Both operate the same way.
The 'compiler' changes the sources to some intermediate code. At runtime, that code is interpreted. Doing that is like waiting for mud to dry. Easier to program? Yes.
Still not a real language.
I guess the only way I can make it as responsive as other software that is written in plain old true compiled C and its variants, is to go spend $2,000 for a new computer.
Not worth that much to record TV imo.
The pc im running it on is only 1.1 Ghz, with 500 Meg RAM.
That should be plenty.
It should not be neccessary to buy a Cray to open a gui in under 5 seconds.
So far, after removing it and putting it back, its working just fine, still very slow, but at least it isnt crashing and skipping recordings.
How long will this last? I have no idea.
Sorry if its pissing peeps off, but I for one would like to see NPVR run at blazing speed without the bugs. You should not take my bitching as an insult.
If the software is 'good enough' I guess someone else, sometime will come along and write something better. NPVR looks to me just like a MythTV ported to windows.
Why not think outside that box? MythTV looks and acts the same. Its uses something Linuxish SQL server. Why?
Any amount of information can be stored in a simple text or binary file. Its a zillion times faster to access than anything SQL is or ever will be, and a simple file doesnt suddenly lock you out, disappear or crash.
Ill stfu now... think about it.