new indicator where it shouldn't be

[pBS]

i have some shows coming up with the 'new' indicator that shouldn't have it...i looked at the epg xml info and no new tag exists, and the date tag shows 2003 as original air date...

Code:

<programme start="20150930150000 -0500" stop="20150930160000 -0500" channel="I7.28455196.microsoft.com" clumpidx="0/1">
          <title>Law &amp; Order</title>
          <sub-title>Shrunk(4)
      </sub-title>
      <desc>(10-22-2003) The body of a fatally stabbed young actress is found at the home of a Broadway composer (John Shea). Dr. Frederick Barrett: Robert Foxworth. Lisa Cutler: Kathleen Chalfant. Margot Dalton: Molly Regan. Dr. Felicity Cyrus: Ami Brabson.
      
¤ Actors: Jerry Orbach, Sam Waterston, Jesse L. Martin, Elisabeth Rohm, S. Epatha Merkerson, Fred Dalton Thompson, Robert Foxworth
¤ Director: Jace Alexander
¤ Writer: Richard Sweren</desc>
<icon src="http://images-eds.xboxlive.com/image?url=cOC861nTwwD6fdaNNqSphYhIoPdt3SpAXZveWYNx1oyg9mRQO1iGgisnlhvHYYhlSpv4w2a4JEEUhPkGFcCWGmf6MEGYhtVm.UWKke_U8PKW7lz5VfqpknLtCrqq4AwM1KYh1Sg5..VzdegAEhuorIMMt1MDyRudboL_ig9sLeY-&amp;w=267&amp;h=150"></icon>
      <category lang="en">Other</category>
      <category lang="en">courtroom</category>
      <episode-num system="onscreen">4</episode-num>
      </programme>

that was after my enhancement, here is before it: [but npvr doesn't see this one]

Code:

    <programme start="20150930150000 -0500" stop="20150930160000 -0500" channel="I7.28455196.microsoft.com">
        <title lang="en">Law &amp; Order</title>
        <sub-title lang="en">Shrunk</sub-title>
        <desc lang="en">The body of a fatally stabbed young actress is found at the home of a Broadway composer (John Shea). Dr. Frederick Barrett: Robert Foxworth. Lisa Cutler: Kathleen Chalfant. Margot Dalton: Molly Regan. Dr. Felicity Cyrus: Ami Brabson.</desc>
        <credits>
            <director>Jace Alexander</director>
            <actor>Jerry Orbach</actor>
            <actor>Sam Waterston</actor>
            <actor>Jesse L. Martin</actor>
            <actor>Elisabeth Rohm</actor>
            <actor>S. Epatha Merkerson</actor>
            <actor>Fred Dalton Thompson</actor>
            <actor>Robert Foxworth</actor>
            <actor>John Shea</actor>
            <actor>Kathleen Chalfant</actor>
            <actor>Molly Regan</actor>
            <actor>J.K. Simmons</actor>
            <actor>Amy Brabson</actor>
            <writer>Richard Sweren</writer>
        </credits>
        <date>20031022</date>
        <category lang="en">Other</category>
        <category lang="en">courtroom</category>
        <icon src="http://images-eds.xboxlive.com/image?url=cOC861nTwwD6fdaNNqSphYhIoPdt3SpAXZveWYNx1oyg9mRQO1iGgisnlhvHYYhlSpv4w2a4JEEUhPkGFcCWGmf6MEGYhtVm.UWKke_U8PKW7lz5VfqpknLtCrqq4AwM1KYh1Sg5..VzdegAEhuorIMMt1MDyRudboL_ig9sLeY-&amp;w=267&amp;h=150" />
        <episode-num system="ms_progid">1.309642652</episode-num>
        <episode-num system="onscreen">4</episode-num>
    </programme>

any idea why this shows with a new tag? maybe because no <date> tag?

[sub]

With XMLTV EPG sources, everything is considered a new episode unless it has the <previously-shown> tag, or "®" at the end of the title. ie, unless the code specifically says it's new or previously shown, then it's treated as "unknown" and treats it as new.

[pBS]

ahhh, it just seems odd to flag something as 'new' when it's not known one way or the other...
i'm used to mc2xml flagging only things it 'knows' are new, and those without info should be considered old, because no reason to assume it's true...
any possibility for a change? shouldn't the <date> in the past flag it as old?

it's going to be hard to mark all non-new shows with previously shown tag, or i'll have to stop using new indicators and stay with the old *..
what about the /new tag? does it count for new?

[sub]

ahhh, it just seems odd to flag something as 'new' when it's not known one way or the other...

It's done this way to minimize risk of recordings not happening. This specific information is very hit or miss world wide. For some epg's it varies from channel to channel. When the user schedules "season recording (New Episodes)", we want it to assume all episodes are new unless it knows otherwise, so that these episodes will be scheduled.

i'm used to mc2xml flagging only things it 'knows' are new, and those without info should be considered old, because no reason to assume it's true...any possibility for a change?

Pretty much no chance A lot of thought went into intentionally doing this way, to best suit the majority of users.

[BrettB]

It's done this way to minimize risk of recordings not happening. This specific information is very hit or miss world wide. For some epg's it varies from channel to channel. When the user schedules "season recording (New Episodes)", we want it to assume all episodes are new unless it knows otherwise, so that these episodes will be scheduled.

Pretty much no chance A lot of thought went into intentionally doing this way, to best suit the majority of users.

Not that it really counts for anything, but I would vote with pBS to have a setting to select whether or not "unknowns" are considered "new" or not. I do really like having the new banner in the TV Guide (thanks, sub!). But it is strange and confusing to have movies from 20 years ago flagged as "new".

[BrettB]

With XMLTV EPG sources, everything is considered a new episode unless it has the <previously-shown> tag, or "®" at the end of the title. ie, unless the code specifically says it's new or previously shown, then it's treated as "unknown" and treats it as new.

Do you use different logic for specifying as "new" when the EPG source is native Schedules Direct?

[sub]

Do you use different logic for specifying as "new" when the EPG source is native Schedules Direct?

Above were the XMLTV rules. Schedules Direct explicitly tells us if a show is new or not, so this is directly used to mark a show as new (or not).

[BrettB]

Above were the XMLTV rules. Schedules Direct explicitly tells us if a show is new or not, so this is directly used to mark a show as new (or not).

So then, Schedules Direct is the one that is specifying old movies are "new"?

[mvallevand]

One of the SD flags tell you when an old movie premieres on TV. Sub was showing all old movies as new but on my request I think he changed it to just be premieres.

Martin

[sub]

One of the SD flags tell you when an old movie premieres on TV. Sub was showing all old movies as new but on my request I think he changed it to just be premieres.

For SD, for unique IDs that start with "MV" (ie Movie), it marks it as new if it has 'new' = true.