new indicator where it shouldn't be

[pBS]

ummm schedules direct does NOT provide reliable info for the 'new' tag....half of my epg shows blatent re-runs as 'new'...
and that's why i use mc2xml to download from there as it DOES correctly mark all shows as new when they are...
whatever mechanism it uses is dead-on for my sd data, where as the 'new' tag is really annoying that it appears on almost every show..
i understand that it was to catch possible missed shows that may have been marked wrong, but i can't find a single instance of sd data where it would have...[compared to mc2xml's method]
so unfortunately i have to keep using mc2xml instead of native sd access, and all the 'show *' [asterisk] annoyances that come with it, or end up with TONS of old shows recording..
[my shows that have a " *" at end of show cause file names to have ".." where only a "." should be.]

maybe a config switch to enable those with good data to use normal 'new' markings, and fail-safe alternate for those with flaky epg data?

[pBS]

after reading more threads, it seems that *some* of my problems may be caused by the fact i use a xml import of sd data. [mostly because i like to see original air dates, actors etc.]
when i first tried it, i found similar results to what i get from xml data from sd...maybe this has changed now?

i would agree with Brettb that a switch to allow normal new flags on xml imports would solve this for everyone..[off by default]

[sub]

What exactly do you want NextPVR to be looking at in your xmltv file to determine if a show is new?

[pBS]

hmm, i'm not sure what criteria mc2xml uses, but it's always correct.. [only time i've seen it incorrect was when everybody's data was incorrect, like bad data from tribune itself. and that only twice in years]
i think it's just mostly if there isn't any known data to show it's new, then it isn't..
i can find out what he uses for mc2xml and let you know..
i'm not sure if there is anything abnormal he keys on, just doesn't flag shows without any applicable tags as new..

[sub]

i think it's just mostly if there isn't any known data to show it's new, then it isn't..

I'm not aware of any standard "new" indicator for xmltv. There is a <previously-shown> indicator. As mentioned, this is only sporadically used though, and it's absence doesn't necessarily mean the show is new.

If you want to supply one of your xmltv files, I can see if anything stands out.

[pBS]

i think he also uses original air date[if today] as well but i wrote him to see what he uses, because it is very reliable..
Also, i'll see if i can modify my xslt script to put a "previously shown" tag in where there is no * in title...[correcting the data without it]

[pBS]

He says he only marks as new programs that have a <new /> tag...
Which i assume is coming from sd itself..
From my examination of the data, this holds true..
Every one of my ' *' shows has a <new /> tag in it...
Maybe only TMS sourced data sends this tag, maybe not..

from the dtd:

Code:

New.  This is the first screened programme from a new show that
has never been shown on television before - if not worldwide then at
least never before in this country.  After the first episode or
programme has been shown, subsequent ones are no longer 'new'.
Similarly the second series of an established programme is not 'new'.

Note that this does not mean 'new season' or 'new episode' of an
existing show.  You can express part of that using the episode-num
stuff.
<!ELEMENT new EMPTY>

Now that wording is quite odd, but TMS [or whatever it's called thesedays] does seem to mark only first showings of an episode, with what i see in the data...
The DTD seems to say that only the first show of a whole series is marked new, but in the data, every first showing of every episode has a 'new' tag, second airings of that same show don't...

The explanation in the dtd somewhat clearly says otherwise, but it seems TMS uses that tag for first run shows, even other services besides sd... zap2xml and it's source, the zap2it website...

i understand other countries may not use this tag from what the dtd says, so just a switch for TMS data sources would be fine..

so basically, any shows with the <new /> tag marked new only...
thanks

[mvallevand]

The SD API that sub uses is JSON not xmltv format. The default for XMLTV formated files is true, perhaps that is the problem with the process.

Martin

[sub]

pBS, if you can supply one of your xmltv files, I'll look into adding support for it.

[pBS]

sure...
http://pbshouston.mooo.com/downloads/mc2xmldata.zip