Help with OTA (ATSC) + IPTV setup

[Orv]

My first post....

I've been using NPVR for about 6 months with my local OTA (flawless!) and just started using an IPTV service a few weeks ago and screwed the channel mapping up a couple of days ago by trying to get a current epg file for the IPTV (huge learning curve re. IPTV epg files). I created a batch file to download the separate epg files and merge into one big epg.xml which worked until I realized IPTV epg files are spotty at updating. Anyway after getting Shedules Direct and removing IPTV device, db editing (to remove the channel groups which hung on in the TV guide Menu), I was able to get NPVR back to pre-IPTV, but want to use IPTV as well.

-Is it possible to have OTA (ATSC) (with Schedules Direct) + IPTV (an epg xml file) co-exist?
-Will NPVR automatically update IPTV (from the epg xml file I download nightly with the UpdateEPG bat file I created) without messing up Schedules Direct (OTA (ATSC))?
-Is the npvr.db3, prior to setting up IPTV, the only file I need to backup to revert back should things get messy with the IPTV setup?
-When setting up and enabling the IPTV device do I have to add the location of the downloaded epg xml file if I use an m3u address for the channels?

TIA,

-orv

Hauppauge WinTV 885 ATSC Tuner
Win10 Pro
AMD Ryzen 5 2400G

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-Is it possible to have OTA (ATSC) (with Schedules Direct) + IPTV (an epg xml file) co-exist?

Yes.

-Will NPVR automatically update IPTV (from the epg xml file I download nightly with the UpdateEPG bat file I created) without messing up Schedules Direct (OTA (ATSC))?

Yes. Each channel can have it's own EPG source. You can have a bunch of channels from SD, and a bunch from xml.

-Is the npvr.db3, prior to setting up IPTV, the only file I need to backup to revert back should things get messy with the IPTV setup?

Yes.

-When setting up and enabling the IPTV device do I have to add the location of the downloaded epg xml file if I use an m3u address for the channels?

No, you don't have to. if you leave it blank, the EPG for those channels will be set to None.

[donschjr]

I use Vaders and cable for local channels. My epg for cable is the built in SD support and my vaders epg I set when I set up my iptv device using the link they provide for perfect player. everything works ok but be aware that the epg info from vaders is even more spotty in NPVR than perfect player. I get a lot of no information availabel in NPVR that will be available in PP and the Kodi app for vaders beta guide will display even more guide info.

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I use Vaders and cable for local channels. My epg for cable is the built in SD support and my vaders epg I set when I set up my iptv device using the link they provide for perfect player. everything works ok but be aware that the epg info from vaders is even more spotty in NPVR than perfect player. I get a lot of no information availabel in NPVR that will be available in PP and the Kodi app for vaders beta guide will display even more guide info.

Honestly, I wouldn't really expect any difference.

Are you sure it's not just a case of your IPTV provider only giving a few hours of listings for some channels, and since NextPVR updated overnight, and you might be viewing the guide several hours later, you might have some channels have run out of listings. PP is probably loading the guide when you try to view the guide, so probably a more up to date view of what listings they're providing. If you think there is something more to it than this, I could investigate for you when I'm back in NZ in a couple of days.

[Orv]

Thanks for the quick replies & help. I was able to get it all working.
I was able to map the the IPTV channels to a local or US provider via SD where the listing was inaccurate or missing all together.

I looked at guide in NPVR for the IPTV listings and it's hit or miss. Some channels nothing others anywhere from 2-4 days of scheduling listed. I looked at epg file and looks like they use epg ninja (?) to generate the guide.
So is all the difference because of all the different countries, providers, satellites, etc. used to generate the epg or is it just lackluster support from IPTV service, or both?

Thanks again,

-orv

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I looked at guide in NPVR for the IPTV listings and it's hit or miss. Some channels nothing others anywhere from 2-4 days of scheduling listed. I looked at epg file and looks like they use epg ninja (?) to generate the guide.
So is all the difference because of all the different countries, providers, satellites, etc. used to generate the epg or is it just lackluster support from IPTV service, or both?

There is no reason the IPTV provider couldn't supply multiple days of listings if they wanted to. They may just have problems sourcing the listings from a wide variety of locations, to pull together into one unified set of listings.

[donschjr]

Honestly, I wouldn't really expect any difference.

Are you sure it's not just a case of your IPTV provider only giving a few hours of listings for some channels, and since NextPVR updated overnight, and you might be viewing the guide several hours later, you might have some channels have run out of listings. PP is probably loading the guide when you try to view the guide, so probably a more up to date view of what listings they're providing. If you think there is something more to it than this, I could investigate for you when I'm back in NZ in a couple of days.

I can do a update epg and still be missing guide infoo that is available in PP. I just ran an update epg at the same time I had PP open and all the Sky Sports guides are filled in PP but no show detaqils in NPVR. this is just 1 example. Some of the guide gets info but not all. I'll attach my logs in case it helps.

[mvallevand]

The logs show channel mapping issues for channels 890-914 You might need to rebuild them. The channels higher then that seem to just get deleted.

Martin

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I can do a update epg and still be missing guide infoo that is available in PP. I just ran an update epg at the same time I had PP open and all the Sky Sports guides are filled in PP but no show detaqils in NPVR. this is just 1 example. Some of the guide gets info but not all. I'll attach my logs in case it helps.

If you can PM me a download URL to the npvr.db3 file, I'll try updating the EPG here and see what happens.

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I just ran an update epg at the same time I had PP open and all the Sky Sports guides are filled in PP but no show detaqils in NPVR. this is just 1 example. Some of the guide gets info but not all.

This is because your IPTV provider has changed the EPG channel ids since you originally imported them.

For example, "Sky Sports Main Event HD" was mapped to the xmltv listing identifier "I401.49609.schedulesdirect.org" in the file at http://vaders.tv/p2.xml.gz. This file has no listings with that identifier. The file does seem to have this same channel, but with the identifier "SkySportsMainEvent.uk". NextPVR has no way to know this has happened, and that these are the same channel. The easiest fix is probably to delete your channels and reimport them.