UK OTA EPG New Programmes

[mvallevand]

Bump for sub to check.

Martin

[mvallevand]

In the next release, there has been quite a few changes to the guide data processing. I've included two new setting in config.xml which you could try changing. <DVBRemoveNew> and <DVBAssumeNew>, both of which default to true. If you set them to false, it'll default to assuming everything is a rerun, and rely on the 'New:' prefix (which is stripped) to determine if something should be marked new. If you're lucky, maybe it's something you can rely on with the UK broadcasters (or at least for all the main channels you care about).

'New: ' is one of about half a dozen prefixes removed from show names as part of tidying up the guide data. (since it interferes with recurring recordings, and grouping them together in the same folder etc)

@ShadowMask,  I am ready to look at coding this for Kodi 22 now, with a likely backport to 21.  Will these quoted changes sub is making above work for you or do think it is better to add a Timeslot recording to Kodi?  

I myself don't like the direction of Kodi or Kodi PVR, it seems to have become bloated with more esoteric features for collectors with each version so don't it much these days, so I'd need to build some LE versions for you to test.  I like a simple PVR with simple controls myself so use UI clients for day to day use.

Martin

[ShadowMask]

In the next release, there has been quite a few changes to the guide data processing. I've included two new setting in config.xml which you could try changing. <DVBRemoveNew> and <DVBAssumeNew>, both of which default to true. If you set them to false, it'll default to assuming everything is a rerun, and rely on the 'New:' prefix (which is stripped) to determine if something should be marked new. If you're lucky, maybe it's something you can rely on with the UK broadcasters (or at least for all the main channels you care about).

'New: ' is one of about half a dozen prefixes removed from show names as part of tidying up the guide data. (since it interferes with recurring recordings, and grouping them together in the same folder etc)

@ShadowMask,  I am ready to look at coding this for Kodi 22 now, with a likely backport to 21.  Will these quoted changes sub is making above work for you or do think it is better to add a Timeslot recording to Kodi?  

I myself don't like the direction of Kodi or Kodi PVR, it seems to have become bloated with more esoteric features for collectors with each version so don't it much these days, so I'd need to build some LE versions for you to test.  I like a simple PVR with simple controls myself so use UI clients for day to day use.

Martin

Hi Martin,
I think those changes partly work for UK OTA EPG. They get close to what you would need if you only want to record New shows using OTA EPG, but have a few issues:

The timeslot recording would enhance this more to a complete solution and also work for any other EPG's I guess. Problems with the above changes for UK OTA EPG would be BBC channels never have the New prefix anyway, some odd programmes on other channels sometimes don't have the prefix as well, though other rogrammes on the channel do, and some programmes are marked as New when they are New to that channel rather than NEW (not a repeat of something shown previously on another channel)

With the timeslot you can at least get it to record a certain time and with some flexibility on the starttime window it should allow for recording what you intend it to even if it is delayed.

Thanks

[mvallevand]

OK thanks, I have to decide if Kodi's EPG based recording should be sent to NextPVR as a timeslot. To me Repeating (guide) should have already been a timeslot recording and I really need new option for Repeating (any time).

For recording new shows nothing compares to using Schedules Direct and having an enhanced guide which is why I consider it the true solution worth a cup of coffee every month. It also avoids issues with the new OpenSky guide not identifying shows by CRID which leaves a possibility that a show could be treated differently when not using normal OTA data.

Martin.

[sub]

I think those changes partly work for UK OTA EPG. They get close to what you would need if you only want to record New shows using OTA EPG, but have a few issues:

The timeslot recording would enhance this more to a complete solution and also work for any other EPG's I guess. Problems with the above changes for UK OTA EPG would be BBC channels never have the New prefix anyway, some odd programmes on other channels sometimes don't have the prefix as well, though other rogrammes on the channel do, and some programmes are marked as New when they are New to that channel rather than NEW (not a repeat of something shown previously on another channel)

This why NextPVR hasn't built in any direct support for trying to use these DVB EPG title prefixes - they're generally can't be relied on. ie, only on some channels, and often wrong etc.

[mvallevand]

Sub, before I make the change being discussed here, can you confirm the API requests that come in from Kodi with the EPG and with a start time are supposed to do any time recordings. It feels like this is a regression but I don't use Kodi for scheduling.

Martin

[sub]

Can you remind me what parameters you're passing in to the recording.save call? The kind of recording it ends up creating varies depending on the parameters.

[mvallevand]

Sh*t I somehow lost my explanation, so in brief here is the current code https://github.com/kodi-pvr/pvr.nextpvr/...s.cpp#L732 which is very close to the original code you submitted.

What I think might be happening is the code never sent time_t or duration and NextPVR might not always calculate that from the EPG so it treats it as any anytime recording It may have worked in the past, but who knows.

I actually can't duplicate ShadowMask's issue since when I create the recording NextPVR does create a timeslot type but I have good New files only.

Martin

[sub]

If I'm reading it right, I think all those TIMER_REPEATING_EPG recordings are effectively ending up as timeslot recordings based on name. I don't have kodi installed here anywhere at the moment, otherwise I'd check to confirm that though.

[mvallevand]

Is it possible looking at these logs https://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.ph...#pid589574 that type 3 daily is not doing a timeslot recording.

Martin