Ripping CARS DVD

[onestar]

Hi All, I need some help,

Basically I have (a legit) Cars DVD. And as you can imagine its getting a little worn, so I thought I would get it on the MVP.

Last time I tried 2 things happened. The audio was out of sync by about 3secs and the file had to be made into 3 mpgs.

Okay determined as I am I decided to try again and again and again to solve.
Finally using dvdcrypt to rip the files per cell, using besweet to transcode, and mplex to mux, I have 34 mpgs files that are all in sync. Final step join them using tmpgenc, mpeg tools, the result an almost good cars.mpg, except around 40mins into the DVD the audio starts to go off sync. By the end I think its about 1 sec off.

Surely someone must have ripped this successfully ?
I should add the VOB is fine, and as a final resort I can burn that on a DVD as a backup. But I would really like to put this on the MVP.

I guess there are not many people needing to change the ac3 to mp2 sound.

Any ideas guys. The 34 mpgs are all fine, now I need to join them successfully. (I haven't tried a video editor yet)

[groover km]

I use besweet to transcode AC3 to MP3 as well.

As a complete shot in the dark, I would guess that maybe by doing 34 cells you are getting a little 'drift' with each one that is then accumulating. You would be better of ripping the dvd as is to your HDD, then use a tool called VOB2MPG to then combine the vobs (typically 4 or 5) into one mpg*. Then demux, transcode the audio with besweet, remux, and you should be good to go.

* To be fair, I've had mixed results with VOB2MPG; sometimes it takes 4,5 goes to get it to work correctly. But, it is freee.
If it's an option, you can use tmpgenc dvd author to rip to MPG directly, then to transcode the audio. It's a lot simpler.

Good luck.

[onestar]

Originally I did do it as a single VOB, and then demux'ed, and even without ac3->mp2 - just remux'ing the m2v and ac3, had from the start it was about 3secs out of sync. The VOB is fine as itself, it plays fine. I tried as many demux'ing tools I could find.

I guess its some copy protection of sorts, or a real pain in general.
All I want is a mpg file i can play in the mvp, or a mvp that plays VOBs.:confused:

[Deusxmachina]

I guess its some copy protection of sorts, or a real pain in general.

Any program that gets the VOBs to the hard drive should have removed or bypassed the copy protection along the way, so I don't think it's that.

You may already know you'd get more help on this topic over at videohelp.com or doom9.org (doom9 is a more "elite" place, and that has both good and bad points).

Don't know if you tried MuxMan yet, although it probably won't make a difference.

I think messing with 34 separate files is not the best way to do things. I'd concentrate on that single VOB. It's odd to have only one VOB and not three or four after a rip. ?

Another thing to try, I have TMPGenc in mind as I type this since that's the main program I've used over the years, is when you work with the file, set the in and out points 10 or more seconds from the ends. This way, if there's a glitch, or more often "blank" space at the end of the file, the encoding program isn't trying to figure out what to do with it -- in this case possibly offsetting the audio.

I don't know if TMPGenc will accept that VOB directly, but if not you may be able to frameserve it from something, such as good ol' VirtualdubMod. I'm just trying to think of programs that can cut 10 or so seconds off the beginning and end of the VOB. When audio is out of sync like that, seems like the very end of the file often has a glitch or runs too long and is what messes everything up.

[onestar]

Hi, yes about the copy protection I agree. What I meant was one of those crafty protections to stop the type of thing I am trying - all looks fine but you cant make the darn mpg.

I have only read the videohelp and doom9 forums. You see I thought I cracked it using the 34 mpgs, it looked so promising . And then I thought its only weirdo's like mvp owners who would be doing this type of thing, so hence ask here

MuxMan - don't think I have, can but try - thanks.
TMPGenc, I have 2.5plus. I haven't tried making a video with it, thats worth a try. If not that then I can try nero or pinnacle and try and make a video. Just no doubt slow pulling them all in. Because each of the mpgs on their own are perfectly synched. I suppose the last final resort will be playing them on groups . Its become an obsession now - like how dare it not work with my mvp setup.

[pBS]

try this with mplayer.exe

Code:

mplayer -dvd-device [dir to files or drv letter] -dumpfile outfile.mpg -dumpstream dvd://[title#]

it rips most dvd's to mpg without conversion, and usually without ripping copy protect first also...[it can read the dvd directly also]

or this with mencoder:

Code:

Mencoder.exe -alang en -vf filmdint,softskip -fps 30000/1001 -ofps 24000/1001 -dvd-device %inpath% dvd://%title% -priority belownormal -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd:telecine -oac lavc -ovc copy -lavcopts trell:ildct:vcodec=mpeg2video:vmax_b_frames=2:acodec=mp2:abitrate=192:vqscale=5:autoaspect:keyint=15 -o %out% -af volume=14

replace the stuff in %_%'s with appropriate entries...

[onestar]

Well finally after 62 years and 400 TB of tries, I finally got an in sync MPG. Why should be so hard.

Anyway just in case any odd person suffers the same.
This is the PAL UK Cars DVD (original).

Using DVD Decrypt, DVD Shrink, Mencoder, VOB Edit, and some others, the resultant streams were always out of sync. Starting at 2.2 secs ending at around 4 secs. If they generated VOBs, those were fine. But to play in an MVP you need to convert the AC3 into MP2 and re-mux, and the demux-ed streams were always out of sync.

Eventually I used DVD Decrypt to decrypt by Cells. Result was 34 m2v and ac3 files. using a little Java applet, I generated a batch file to call besweet (with the different delays) and mplex.

Result 34 mpg files, all perfect, but 34 of them.

I tried using Pinnacle Studio 10 to remerge them, but that stupid and very useless program fell out after number 1. I tried using TMPGenc 2.5 plus to merge them, but that one seemed to generate a video stream, then an audio stream, resulting in a 1 sec drift over the film

Eventually used TMPGenc DVD Author to generate a DVD (almost there) but it generated 4 1G VOBs. arggggggggggh. (was going to rename a VOB to MPG).

Then used mplayer (as mentioned above) to get the stream out. Finally a 5G mpg with mp2 audio, that plays pretty well in the MVP.

What a carry on. Okay bring on the next one.

[pBS]

yea, i think that's how i got mine to work in the end also...
funny, because the dvd ripped just fine and would burn easily...but making a mpg out of it was the only pain..go figure...

mplayer rips just about anything it can play...and does it the same way it plays..
so if it plays ok in mplayer, it should be able to 'dump' it...[tho not 100%]

i've been using mencoder to rip dvd's to 1 gig .avi's and they look great..
[just have to find a 'good' dvd mencoder.exe build]
now just to get a divx dvd player...

[onestar]

Sorry for bringing this up again guys, one last problem. I noticed that the cars mpg plays fine, totally in synch, but the time line is messed up. I mean pausing it shows the time for each section, not the whole film, which makes resuming not possible. No problem I tried running pvastrumento which fixed the GOP structures, but brought back the out of sync audio/video. Not fatal, I'll live with the incorrect timeline, just wondering in case someone has some idea on how to fix this last little niggling item

[flyswatta]

Huh. I guess I've been doing it the hard way. I used to be able to copy the DVDs, but I think they started using dual-layer or something and I couldn't do it anymore.

So I just play it on my PVR server and do a manual recording with one of my analog tuners (s-video out of my video card into a PVR-150, same with the audio). Makes a nice mpg file in about however long the movie is - no transcoding/converting for 8 hours and no audio sync issues. Then I can convert it to avi and drop it on a "backup" dvd (usually about 5 or 6 avi movies).

That way if the kiddos lose/scratch/play frisbee with the dvd, I have a copy that they can play back on GBPVR. Granted it's not DVD quality, but they should have taken better care of the DVD to begin with.