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#11
2007-03-15, 01:36 AM
Bwangster12 Wrote:I do get asked how I want to open the stream. Whether I choose VLC portable or the WMP installed on my desktop at work, neither stream.

I think port 8080 is blocked, or atleast it doesn't work. I set it to that and nothing happens. 443 works when VLC is the only thing running on it.

I was trying to set up a SSH server but that seems to be way over my head.

You really need to have two ports open....one for EWA itself.....default is 7647 (set in GBPVR program config) and one for VLC to stream on default is 7648 (set in EWA web config page).....

If 443 is the only port open at work I think you are stuck....you could try setting both EWA and the stream port to 443 but it will probably just crap out since both apps will want to respond to incomming requests.

I also have to ask....have you opened and forwarded the ports on your router to the gbpvr host PC so that the requests you send at work hit your router and know where to go?
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2007-03-15, 01:46 AM
I have got streaming to work with VLC prior to having installed GBPVR. I just set it to port 443 and opened the ip:port via WMP on my work computer. I suppose that because I have the web admin set to port 443 that the VLC now can't run on 443. If I change the port in the stream settings in the ewa to port 80, 8080, 7647 or something else common, it does not work.

I have been unable to use Orb in the past because I THINK that my company is blocking those necessary ports. If I use that port block tool... http://www.canyouseeme.org/ and enter in 443 on my home computer it tells me it is not blocked. If I open up the port on my router, disable windows firewall, then it tells me the connection timed out or connection refused.

Could it be my computer that is somehow blocking these ports? I don't get how else to open them.
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2007-03-15, 02:17 AM
Bwangster12 Wrote:I have got streaming to work with VLC prior to having installed GBPVR. I just set it to port 443 and opened the ip:port via WMP on my work computer. I suppose that because I have the web admin set to port 443 that the VLC now can't run on 443. If I change the port in the stream settings in the ewa to port 80, 8080, 7647 or something else common, it does not work.

That is what I would suspect to happen....VLC no EWA works fine since VLC only needs one port and it can use 443.....along comes EWA and you set that to the same port 443....now VLC and EWA are in conflict since they both want to respond to incomming requests and supply responses on the same port......

Bwangster12 Wrote:I have been unable to use Orb in the past because I THINK that my company is blocking those necessary ports. If I use that port block tool... http://www.canyouseeme.org/ and enter in 443 on my home computer it tells me it is not blocked.

That is a good sign....shows that it is able to get through to the port....

Bwangster12 Wrote:If I open up the port on my router, disable windows firewall, then it tells me the connection timed out or connection refused.

Now I am confused....if the canyouseeme check said it was open.....and then you open it on your router.....it should have already been open since canyouseeme found it.....does that make sense.....

The way you explained this it sounds as though it tested open and then when you opend the port on the router and forwarded to your pc now it is not open.....just doesn't make sense.....

Bwangster12 Wrote:Could it be my computer that is somehow blocking these ports? I don't get how else to open them.

The most common issue is that there is a firewall running on the pc itself that people leave on....but you said you turned off windows firewall so that shouldn't be an issue.....

An easy way to test would be to set EWA to port 7647 in GBPVR, set VLC port to 7648 in EWA config.

Forward ports 7647 and 7648 in your router to your gbpvr PC.

Either turn off windows firewall on the gbpvr pc or open ports 7647 and 7648 in windows firewall.

Then Private Message me your outward facing IP and I can try to hit it....if I get the login page then you know your ports are fine.......
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2007-03-15, 01:12 PM
Well, I ran a scan using: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 which was given to me by UncleJohnBand and it found that ever service port and every common port at work is "stealthed." Including the port 443 that I know does work for one thing at a time.

I also saved the stream file instead of opening it directly into a media player and when I open it in notepad, it does show my home computer's IP address and the port that I assigned.

If I try to stream videos saved on my harddrive I get the same message, but when I press that "play" button, they work.

Not sure where to go next...
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2007-03-15, 08:43 PM
Bwangster12 Wrote:Well, I ran a scan using: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 which was given to me by UncleJohnBand and it found that ever service port and every common port at work is "stealthed." Including the port 443 that I know does work for one thing at a time.

I also saved the stream file instead of opening it directly into a media player and when I open it in notepad, it does show my home computer's IP address and the port that I assigned.

If I try to stream videos saved on my harddrive I get the same message, but when I press that "play" button, they work.

Not sure where to go next...

Stream (either live tv or an already recorded file) will invoke VLC....when this happens you will be running two apps on the same port.....

When you click play or download EWA itself is delivering the file....either as an uncompressed file(play) or as a zip file(download).
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2007-03-15, 11:04 PM
Oh btw, I apologize for my error regarding port 8080 being for https, sometimes you think you know something and don't bother looking it up again (shit I read that somewhere though)

But going back to your first post...
you talk about transferring a video using VLC portable and connecting to I guess an office computer with a flash drive. Correct? I have never tried that. But when you say it opens but nothing plays, that seems to be evidence of a codec or transport problem.

Here's what little I think I know about the whole port thing. The port 8080 is opened on the VLC server to listen for commands such as start and stop and pause. I do not think port 8080 has to be open for incomming packets on the client. This is from reading the streaming section of the VLC docs. The streaming port needs to be open of course.

Your office firewall router is stealthed. That is not the same as blocked. Stealthed is a way to hide open ports from hackers. It is normal for firewall routers to block incomming traffic on some ports. If they are stealthed you cannot tell if open or blocked from the test.

It is more rare for firewall routers to be configured to block outgoing traffic, if they are then your office browsers would be using a proxy. If that is the case you are probably sol.

If you are able to launch the video stream from work (i.e. the server at home begins streaming) then outgoing port 8080 is not blocked at the office.

If vlc client at work can not open the stream, it could be a codec,transport problem or a blocked incomming (streaming) port at the office.

Since the VLC server program is called by EWA and told to use the HTTP transport protocol it should work on most networks and get past most firewalls but probably won't work with networks set up with proxy servers and such.

The streaming port at home (the one set on EWA config page) must be forwarded to the vlc server, this can be configured on your home router.

anyone please feel free to correct any mistakes.
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2007-03-15, 11:46 PM
I'm not even sure port 8080 is used at all by the client computer since EWA appears to substitute its own control panel for the VLC server panel which is on port 8080.
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2007-03-16, 01:35 AM
If I go into my EWA page at work, I can start the stream. However, when I launch WMP or VLC, they don't actually show me the live tv.

I have tried tinkering with programs in the past that need ports open to work, such as VNC, Orb... and I couldn't get them working with any of the normal ports, other than 443. I believe I have tried 8080 before and it doesn't work. After having set up the port forwarding on my router.
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2007-03-16, 01:37 AM
jim08127 Wrote:I'm not even sure port 8080 is used at all by the client computer since EWA appears to substitute its own control panel for the VLC server panel which is on port 8080.

8080 is not used by the client.
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2007-03-16, 01:39 AM
Bwangster12 Wrote:If I go into my EWA page at work, I can start the stream. However, when I launch WMP or VLC, they don't actually show me the live tv.

I have tried tinkering with programs in the past that need ports open to work, such as VNC, Orb... and I couldn't get them working with any of the normal ports, other than 443. I believe I have tried 8080 before and it doesn't work. After having set up the port forwarding on my router.

When you click on the launch button a file is generated and sent to your PC by EWA that tells the player (VLC or WMP) where the stream can be found. That is why that works.

When you try to open that stream file you are trying to connect to VLC but since you only have one port open and both VLC and EWA are tyring to use it you can not get the stream.
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