ZProcess2 - not getting "Zprocess Settings" during install?

[zehd]

Will try the above when I get home, thanks for helping me set it back to "zero", I REALLY appreciate "initial states", in case you FUBAR it (like I do too often)... in my haste.

btw which SECTION is the second batch in?

Sounds good. One Q. "MEncoder installed", what does that mean? JUST the executable in that path or actually install MPLAYER (which installs MEncoder?). I had just put MEncoder.exe under /devnz/gbpvr/Thirdparty (like ffmpeg) and tried to point to it....

k.

p.s. Rugby is the ultimate game... it's going to be a good year.... no mamby pamby hockey players in protective gear bouncing off the plexiglass :-)

haha. Moving to Australia. It will be Kharma indeed for this Canadian. Aussie Footbal, Cricket and Rugby. My head will explode from all the new rules. Good thing I'm bringing my hockey helmet. Keep the blood and brain bits contained...

You can always look at the master don't edit version of config.xml (in your GB-PVR dir) and compare that way...

Yes, install all of MEncoder in it's default folder (including the mplayer and stuff)

http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Utility/ZTools#toc8

Oh and if you're resetting things... run the RemoveAllZProcess.reg too...

[zehd]

That MP4 that I had was 720x544. Since I wasn't dealing with PAL yet, somehow I ended up with a NTSC Output rectangle of 720x484. That was off by 4 and the mpg wouldn't play. I've hardcoded a fudge to prevent exceeding certain dimensions...

I'll probably be be doing something like that for PAL.

[jksmurf]

Turn key setup. Double-click on the exe once and it’s set up!

So I do NOT need to touch any of those settings in ZProcess Settings, they are ONLY for manual transcodes? (I was hoping to up the CPU priority (why only normal/below normal btw) for the automagic MVP transcode...

btw, the Setting windows ... you can't drag them out of the way (either of them)...AND you've updated Zprocess again, you sneaky wee devil...

k.

[zehd]

I've taken a stab at settings for PAL...

If you RemoveAllZProcess.reg, and then run ZProcess, the first question you'll see is "Do you want to use PAL defaults".

Yes will initialize PAL defaults, and No will set NTSC defaults...

By default, the Trans2MVP PAL profile uses 640x576 for dimensions and forces Frames/sec to 25...

I'd love to hear if this is working for you...

[jksmurf]

I'd love to hear if this is working for you...

Tonight baby, tonight....

...and I'll get onto this too zehd, don't worry...

k.

[jksmurf]

I've taken a stab at settings for PAL...

If you RemoveAllZProcess.reg, and then run ZProcess, the first question you'll see is "Do you want to use PAL defaults".

Yes will initialize PAL defaults, and No will set NTSC defaults...

By default, the Trans2MVP PAL profile uses 640x576 for dimensions and forces Frames/sec to 25...

I'd love to hear if this is working for you...

Well it was a good 3 secs... what happened was this (MVP problem was Firewall btw,. for SOME reason ALL my firewall settings were reset, so I re-allowed PVRX2 through FW, all OK now.... MS? :confused: )

1. For kicks I tried without the PAL update. Showed a pic (Big Black Bars T&B), no audio and froze after 3 secs.
   
2. PAL update, as above, all good install-wise, nice message (might want to add a little text to the box NO=NTSC).
   
3. Ran again, SOUND!, ran 3 secs with better Video Aspect, then audio popped and exited ungraciously back to menu (XRECORD). So it runs, but .. not for long.
   
4. Odd thing is logs stopped... I tried again and again to capture logs ??? I attach what I got.

Thanks for trying zehd, I LIKE the simple install ...

I used YAMB http://yamb.unite-video.com/ to split the x264 (mp4). GREAT spiltter, FAST, recommended (Joiner too btw), uses mp4box.

Is 10MB OK? About 1.5 mins. I uploaded it to here. Take OFF the .zip extension, it is NOT a zip file. (ftp server is fussy about mp4's...)

Cheers and HTH!
k.

[zehd]

[*]Ran again, SOUND!, ran 3 secs with better Video Aspect, then audio popped and exited ungraciously back to menu (XRECORD). So it runs, but .. not for long.

XRecord??? What are you doing in XRecord. I'd rather you troubleshoot from default use. Start a video * from Video Library...

[*]Odd thing is logs stopped... I tried again and again to capture logs ??? I attach what I got.[/LIST]Thanks for trying zehd, I LIKE the simple install ...

New version of GB-PVR has different logging as far as I know. It doesn't matter to me. I don't need the GB-PVR logs

I used YAMB http://yamb.unite-video.com/ to split the x264 (mp4). GREAT spiltter, FAST, recommended (Joiner too btw), uses mp4box.

We will not need to use any of that technique

You may have missed it, but I don't need the file now. In fact I don't want you to troubleshoot with that huge MP4. I was serious when I was joking that you can't trust stuff from the net. Especially live recordings.. I'd rather be sure ZProcess2 is working with a known working source.

Big Question. Were you able to on the fly transcode with the original ZProcess? If not, then you may be out of luck with version 2 until we can find out what's binding up your system...

Let me explain a few things.
ZProcess 2 is not designed for manual transcodes. It is not designed for case by case tweaking.
When you find some settings you like and stick to it... I still don't know if the PAL defaults are working for you...
That's by design that you can't move the windows around. Not supposed to be looking at other programs when you're looking at mine anyway. Kinda jealous that way...

Comparing settings from one program to another is apples to oranges...

With the time difference, seems I get a pile of ideas during your work day, and then some ideas get lost in the shuffle when you trouble shoot. So here is a simple list of things to do, consistently when testing...

Download... Always download the very latest version from wiki. Read the install notes

Install... Run RemoveAllZProcess.reg (whenever you get a new version).

First Run...Run ZProcess2. Choose PAL or NTSC. (jksmurf should always choose PAL) Close ZProcess2.

Use... You should be able to start a video (a tried and true avi) from Video Library. After a bit, you should see Video and Audio. Aspect ratio might be off a bit. (That's for later troubleshooting)

If the Video cuts out, then troubleshoot this and only this... Usually, when a video ends prematurely it's because you have to adjust the pre-play delay. Adjust that in the GB-PVR config...

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Once the test video plays back completely. You can try that Rugby mp4. If it starts but drops out, raise the preplay again. keep raising it. WSatch to see if the file lasts longer and longer before it carps out

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In theory, ZProcess 2 PAL defaults should be close enough to work and you only need to adjust preplay in GB-PVR Config.

If all this doesn't work, then we may be at a standstill until I move to PAL land...

EDIT I did find a glitch that I want to fix. Check this thread out for an all clear to try another version...

EDIT 2 The patch is ready, v 2.0.10

[jksmurf]

XRecord??? What are you doing in XRecord. I'd rather you troubleshoot from default use. Start a video from Video Library...

Sorry:o , I didn't think it would make a difference, as I thought XRecord was just another way to launch a file. I'll try it from the base-system Video Library or Recordings

New version of GB-PVR has different logging as far as I know. It doesn't matter to me. I don't need the GB-PVR logs

OK.

You may have missed it, but I don't need the file now.

Yes I missed that, sorry :o .... I looked again, but not sure where you mentioned it. :confused:

In fact I don't want you to troubleshoot with that huge MP4. I was serious when I was joking that you can't trust stuff from the net. Especially live recordings.. I'd rather be sure ZProcess2 is working with a known working source.

OK

Big Question. Were you able to on the fly transcode with the original ZProcess? If not, then you may be out of luck with version 2 until we can find out what's binding up your system...

I never tried on the fly Transcoding it to be honest. IIRC last time we did a round with ZProcess, I was looking at Transcoding one of these using your utility, then playing the mpeg natively. When I went back to the Plugins dir, it said here's "ZProcess2", so like any geek, I thought "cool, an update" and tried that. Shall I try Zprocess1?

ZProcess 2 is not designed for manual transcodes. It is not designed for case by case tweaking.

I'm really not trying to do a manual transcode. I understood from the WIKI that it is install it and use it, which is why I said I like the simple install. The manual profiles are there for .... testing and transcoding from the Transcode menu ??

When you find some settings you like and stick to it... I still don't know if the PAL defaults are working for you...

OK.

That's by design that you can't move the windows around. Not supposed to be looking at other programs when you're looking at mine anyway. Kinda jealous that way...Comparing settings from one program to another is apples to oranges...

OK :o

With the time difference, seems I get a pile of ideas during your work day, and then some ideas get lost in the shuffle when you trouble shoot. So here is a simple list of things to do, consistently when testing....

Look, I'm sorry about this zehd, it's no reflection on your utility, which for me looks 10x easier than the first one. I'm not saying "your program doesn't work, it's rubbish". I'd really LIKE it to work, it's the geek in me.

Download... Always download the very latest version from wiki. Read the install notes Install... Run RemoveAllZProcess.reg (whenever you get a new version). First Run...Run ZProcess2. Choose PAL or NTSC. (jksmurf should always choose PAL) Close ZProcess2.

Well to be fair, I did do all that and it installed OK, as I wrote above, and gave me the correct messages about PAL etc.

Use... You should be able to start a video (a tried and true avi) from Video Library. After a bit, you should see Video and Audio. Aspect ratio might be off a bit. (That's for later troubleshooting)

OK. I'll need to find one somehwere. I don't think I have any test ones, apart from ones from a Kodak Video Camera.

If the Video cuts out, then troubleshoot this and only this... Usually, when a video ends prematurely it's because you have to adjust the pre-play delay. Adjust that in the GB-PVR config...

OK, will do.

Once the test video plays back completely. You can try that Rugby mp4. If it starts but drops out, raise the preplay again. keep raising it. Watch to see if the file lasts longer and longer before it carps out... In theory, ZProcess 2 PAL defaults should be close enough to work and you only need to adjust preplay in GB-PVR Config....If all this doesn't work, then we may be at a standstill until I move to PAL land...

OK

[B]EDIT I did find a glitch that I want to fix. Check this thread out for an all clear to try another version...

EDIT 2 The patch is ready, v 2.0.10[/B]

OK, I'll have a crack at that tonight.

Thanks zehd, for your patience. Like I said, it's no reflection on you, and I'm happy to go through this with you. If you don't think I'm following the instructions correctly, then I can understand your frustration.

k.

[zehd]

Reading your reply, seeing my quotes, I had no idea that I sounded THAT frustrated. I'm very sorry if it appeared that way. :o

Also, when I said tried and true AVI's, I meant something that you may have downloaded and watch with the MVP, then it dawned on me that you don't use the MVP that way. You very rarely watch NON MPGS on the MVP and that's why you appear so new with ZProcess, even though I remember working with you a long while back. I'm sorry I misunderstood.

PM me with your email address and I'll send you a couple small things that I know work...

I do need as much help as possible. I need to get the word out about ZProcess2. It's really better, (the insides at least) and I need users so I know what features I need to add back in and what I can leave behind...

More features means more difficult to use...

As far as tweaking, I'd like to work with you about tweaking for PAL before I get to OZ, just so I know that it works for NTSC and PAL. It would suck to move and then break something for NTSC users...

When I get home, I'll reply to some of your other thoughts...

[jksmurf]

No worries zehd, sent you a PM.

You're a very very patient fellow.

I tried it again with ZProcess2 update (same behaviour) but haven't fiddled with the pre-play delay yet (wife wanted to watch something), so it was really just a quick test.

I thought I'd try the tweaking with the test file first as you recommended.

Cheers and THANKS!
k.