Encrypted channels with CI not working
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2011-01-24, 10:36 PM
suqram Wrote:Thought I´d bump this to remind you. If you want to review the logfiles, just tell me. Have you tried setting up multidec? The support is much better in npvr than it was in gbpvr, since we got rid of mdapifilter.ax. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
2011-01-26, 01:28 PM
Sorry, no. I was hoping for npvr to support my old Twinhan CI, but if it is far away I will absolutely consider changing.
Because Sweden is in (constant) change of transmission-technique from DVB-T and mpeg2 to DVB-T2 and mpeg4 I was planning to change when more DVB-T2-cards where available. In this shifting of technique they are also moving towards CI+, is that supported with a Phoenix-reader?
2011-01-26, 06:52 PM
suqram Wrote:Sorry, no. I was hoping for npvr to support my old Twinhan CI, but if it is far away I will absolutely consider changing. I don't know anything about CI+ and the difference to CI, but ther is a problem using softcam if the smartcard is paired to the STB or CAM, that is why I have to use a HW CAM for dvb-t. Haven't figured out how to fool the smartcard with a softcam yet. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
2011-01-26, 07:06 PM
As I have understood the difference with CI and CI+ is that CI+ is using an encrypted protocol. The encryption key is embedded in the HW CAM and is near impossible to break. There are softcams that work with the encrypted protocols according once the encryption key is found. For Boxer it is reported that they do NOT use the encryption at the moment at least. Probably because they have run into problems with customers that have incompatible hardware. But I guess this will change in the future when they will enforce the CI+ standard.
So unless the encryption key is found, softcams are out of the question in the long run. Lets hope the key will be found in time... The other option is if CI+ support is enabled on NPVR so we can buy a hardware CAM and use it for decryption. For me I am not interested in piracy. I am a paying customer. I just want to enjoy my TV experience from my HTPC so wichever method is working is fine with me. Pairing is another concern. But I have gathered that also the pairing can be handled by the softcam, if the id of the STB is found. I don't remember the specifics beyond that. With Boxer it is unlikely they will use pairing because many customers take their smartcard to ther summer houses etc and use it in another STB there. It has been part of ther marketing so if they break it they will suffer for sure. For other operators like Viasat and Canal Digital, pairing is in use already I think. If I am wrong with my explanation above, feel free to correct me.
2011-01-26, 07:14 PM
* * * I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PIRACY!!! * * *
When I talk about softcam it is a piece of software that reads the key from a legally paid smartcard, then emulates the hardware in a CAM and decrypts the tv-signal. It has nothing to do with keyfiles and other illegal activities. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
2011-01-26, 07:44 PM
Reddwarf Wrote:* * * I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PIRACY!!! * * * Sorry if I offended you. I assure you that was not my intention. My point was that the operators are making it harder and harder to enjoy a full HTPC experiance, and are really on the verge of destroying it altogether. And all of this because they are trying to defeat piracy. A task that is impossible in the long run as history shows. All they succeed in is punishing their loyal paying customers. What they also succed in is forcing these customers into the piracy world to try to make the HTPC programs work. Only there can you actually find working solutions. The CI enabled card that I have is not working any longer... Maybe Sub can fix it if we are lucky, but for the DVB-T2 card i own there exists no CI or CI+ HW solution AT ALL. At least not yet.
2011-01-26, 07:54 PM
Barsk Wrote:Sorry if I offended you. I assure you that was not my intention. My point was that the operators are making it harder and harder to enjoy a full HTPC experiance, and are really on the verge of destroying it altogether. And all of this because they are trying to defeat piracy. A task that is impossible in the long run as history shows. All they succeed in is punishing their loyal paying customers. No offence taken, I just wanted to make it absolutly clear. Now, when no CI solution exists, we'r back to stb and poor quality again. Ofcourse providers don't want us to make our own pc-solution, they want us to buy their lousy PVR-boxes 
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
2011-01-26, 07:56 PM
Barsk Wrote:The CI enabled card that I have is not working any longer... Maybe Sub can fix it if we are luckyAfter reading the post this morning, I've at least got as far as finding my Twinhan device, dusted it off, and put it back in my machine. Now I've just got to find the Twinhan drivers for 64bit Win7. Where did the Twinhan website go...
2011-01-27, 07:38 AM
Hmmm, there are no 64-bit driver for Twinhan. But, according to this thread (http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?sh...11221&st=0) you should be able to get it going with the 32-bit drivers that ships with 32-bit win7 (Twinhan-driver 1.3.8). Unfortunately, you will have to limit the amount of RAM in Windows, because the driver doesn´t seem to be working if you are using more than 4 GB (see the thread).
Barsk and Reddwarf, thanks for replying - you have made the situation a little bit more clear to me. Much appreciated.
2011-01-27, 07:05 PM
Barsk Wrote:Yes, multi-recording with multidec is truely a holy grail that I have been hoping for for a long time. And yes! It works! (Especially since I found that instances-setting Barsk, have you been able to stablize your newCS/Acamd setup yet? I was suffering the same unstablitity until I moved the NewCS to a server separated from my HTPC. ' \\Agerdin |
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