Post Padding Ignored for Two Adjacent Programs

[LewE]

I have found a number of times when I try to record a program but it comes back as having a conflict with previous recordings.

I have three analog tuners and have my default recordings set up with a 1 minute Post Recording pad.

The problem comes up if I had previously set to record two half hour programs one after the other on the same channel plus another on a different channel and then try to record another program during that hour period.

I should only be using two tuners during this period (one to capture the hour long program plus a second to capture the two half hour shows on the same channel) before I add in the second hour long show. Unfortunately, GBPVR blocks me from trying to record the third program during that hour unless I first cancel one of the two back to back programs, set to record the hour long program and then set to record the program that I had cancelled. GBPVR then is happy.

It seems that the only thing blocking me is that the one pminute post padding is taken by the program as a "hard" requirement. I would like to see the post padding to be a "soft" requirement is there is another program being recorded on the same channel right after the first one. True, some of the programming of the first show might "bleed" into the second but it will be there and not be lost.

[stustunz]

sounds like you dont have all your stations enabled on all 3 tuners
padding is ignored for back to back i think
plus you have to work in order of time when adding the recordings you cant just get all channel 1 sorted to move onto channel 2

[LewE]

sounds like you dont have all your stations enabled on all 3 tuners

That was the first thing I checked. All three tuners have the same channels enabled.

padding is ignored for back to back i think

That is what I thought happened but found it apparently doesn't do this if a tuner is available at the time the two back to back programs are set for being recorded. Then, it apparently uses another tuner for the second of the Back to Back programs. I don't have any quarrel with this. My only concern is when this padding prevents me from using the available tuners to their fullest.

plus you have to work in order of time when adding the recordings you cant just get all channel 1 sorted to move onto channel 2

I have some programs that are marked as RECURRING so they are entered first.

What I am asking is for GBPVR to apply some extra logic when there is a conflict when a new program is identified for programming and if it can resolve the conflict because two programs are Back to Back then it would do the same thing it would dop if they were the last programs to be identified for being recorded, i.e. drop the padding for the first of the two programs.

[martint123]

It can depend on some settings in config.xml ISTR padding can be honoured with back to back recordings and multiple tuners. How have you got these set?

<TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible>
<PreferAlternatingCaptureSources>

[LewE]

It can depend on some settings in config.xml ISTR padding can be honoured with back to back recordings and multiple tuners. How have you got these set?

<TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible>
<PreferAlternatingCaptureSources>

Both are set to TRUE.

Should I set the TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible to FALSE? If so, what does this parameter mean? What does a FALSE setting mean?

[HtV]

If you set them to true gbpvr will try to use as little tuners as possible.
So that is probably what you want.
<TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible> set to false, it will not try to keep the padding for recordings so it can switch to an adjacent recording.
<PreferAlternatingCaptureSources> set to false, it will not try to change tuner if possible.
This is more or less what these keys do/mean, although my explanation may not be completely right.:confused:

Hans

[LewE]

If you set them to true gbpvr will try to use as little tuners as possible.
So that is probably what you want.
<TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible> set to false, it will not try to keep the padding for recordings so it can switch to an adjacent recording.
<PreferAlternatingCaptureSources> set to false, it will not try to change tuner if possible.
This is more or less what these keys do/mean, although my explanation may not be completely right.:confused:

Hans

Based on your description I guess I should set TryToHonourPaddingIfPossible to FALSE. I had thought that the "IfPossible" part of that parameter name meant that it would honor the padding unless it was impossible. Back to back recordings on the same channel with no extra tuners available would be one of those instances where it is impossible.

I think GBPVR does this if the back to back programs are the last ones entered for recording. What I am asking for is the case where when the Back to Backs were originally entered GBPVR was able to use different tuners. But, if I subsequently try to record another program during that hour, the tuners are all busy UNLESS if GBPVR could then recognize that there is only a conflict because of the post padding and in that case, ignore the post padding for the back to back shows.

I'll try setting the parameter to FALSE and see how the program reacts.

[TomR]

Have you tried "ZBack2Back"? It might help with the padding for back to back recordings.

[LewE]

Have you tried "ZBack2Back"? It might help with the padding for back to back recordings.

I looked t its description and as far as I can tell, ZBack2Back forces the pre and post padding to be inlcuded in the recording for each program. In the example on the wiki, if I understand it correctly, the three programs that are scheduled back to back to back would require at least two tuners rather than just one.

This is not what I want.

[HtV]

ZBack2back, is meant for use with only one tuner. When 2 or more adjacent shows are recorded, e.g. the last minute of the first show will be copied to the beginning of the 2nd show (=prepadding 2nd show), the 1st min of the 2nd show will be copied to the end of the 1st show (=postpadding 1st show).
This would only be handy for you if you succeed to have adjacent shows recorded by the same tuner, i.e. without post and pre-padding.

Hans