EPG (Schedules Direct) "undefined"

[Graham]

Yes see below just del and add the new one or if old one from before json then SD own web site I think SD only allow up to 4 lineup in all if I recall right

My understanding ... and please somebody correct me if I am wrong ... is that the list shown in the screenshot is the list acquired by NextPVR using the information entered when the Add SD Channel Lineup button in NextPVR was pressed. This is not the list created by entering zipcode, etc. info into the SD website. It is likely that the two lists contain the same lineups because the same zipcode, etc. was used to create both lists.

I would expect that deleting all of the lineups in the list via the SD website will not change the list that is displayed by NextPVR as shown in the screenshot ... but I might be wrong ... I often am wrong ... I'm used to it ... Tell me if I am wrong ... you won't hurt my feelings.

[mvallevand]

There are two lineups one for the json interface managed and used by nextpvr internally and one for the xmltv interface shown and managed on the SD website. This causes regular confusion

The issues are that nextpvr intially wants to add a lineup even when it exists and this can cause locked SD accounts. After entering credentials if you are setup already I find it works to just exit and start with the saved lineups. The second issue is the friendly name with details about the lineup is not shown and may not be clear to use it but sub says he will change this.

A third issue related to the first is sub likes the web server to auto save rather then ok buttons etc. Most of the time this is ok but it can be confusing especially when it saves something we don't want.

Martin

[shspvr]

Since there's no "Enter" button or anything for the credentials box

Reg web login in to NextPVR is admin and password in tell you change it under Access to what ever you want it has nothing to with SD

Click on Guide
Type your SD username then after done that click on password clear out that old one with all them dots then type in your password box then go to any other setting page then go back that to the guide page you should list of guide if there any was add make sure you clear out the old password first and when I said enter mean after you type your password in the box then enter on your keyboard there is no button.

If you wish to start over stop NPVR if it is running then go to C:\Users\Public\del the folder "NPVR-data" this will start you all over as new install

[shspvr]

My understanding ... and please somebody correct me if I am wrong ... is that the list shown in the screenshot is the list acquired by NextPVR using the information entered when the Add SD Channel Lineup button in NextPVR was pressed. This is not the list created by entering zipcode, etc. info into the SD website. It is likely that the two lists contain the same lineups because the same zipcode, etc. was used to create both lists.

I would expect that deleting all of the lineups in the list via the SD website will not change the list that is displayed by NextPVR as shown in the screenshot ... but I might be wrong ... I often am wrong ... I'm used to it ... Tell me if I am wrong ... you won't hurt my feelings.

No json interface managed and used by what ever app internally you used this can SageTV, NextPVR or any other Java grabber and other one for the xmltv or direct interface that is shown and managed on the SD own website it self and if recall right you can have up max 4 lineup a cross all interface.

[BrettB]

No json interface managed and used by what ever app internally you used this can SageTV, NextPVR or any other Java grabber and other one for the xmltv or direct interface that is shown and managed on the SD own website it self and if recall right you can have up max 4 lineup a cross all interface.

Just to be clear--you and Graham are saying basically the same thing. NextPVR uses the newer json interface to SD. NextPVR is not the only thing that uses this interface, so it is not exclusive to NextPVR. But it is totally separate from the listings shown on the SD website when you log into your account there.

[shspvr]

Just to be clear--you and Graham are saying basically the same thing. NextPVR uses the newer json interface to SD. NextPVR is not the only thing that uses this interface, so it is not exclusive to NextPVR. But it is totally separate from the listings shown on the SD website when you log into your account there.

Yes they are separate from the listings you do not see json listing it done in a diff way that is hidden and control by 3rdparty app them self but still saved on you SD account profile so you can used any java grabber app to remove or add new line up.

[crackulator]

I appreciate sub's instinct to reduce clutter and extra button pushes... but the flow there is kind of a mystery to me.

If @shspvr's assertion is correct, that we can delete Schedules Direct lineups from the EPG page, then it would have to know my SD credentials when loading that page, in order to present the list. But when I arrive at that page, I haven't had an opportunity to enter my credentials. I can enter them on that page, and then what? I haven't found a way to get it to show my lineups from SD. And I can't seem to add a lineup from there either, even if I put my proper credentials in.

There seems to be an additional complication that might be client-specific related to autofill. The form on the EPG page is usually autofilled with my NextPVR credentials, and this might be part of my problem.

[sub]

I appreciate sub's instinct to reduce clutter and extra button pushes... but the flow there is kind of a mystery to me.

For a brand new user, you'd just go to the Settings->Guide screen, and enter your Schedules Direct username and password. At that point you're ready to hit the 'Add SD Lineup' button, enter zipcode, and search for your lineup etc. When you add it, it'll appear at the top of the screen in the EPG Sources.

If you already have lineups against your account, after entering your username/password, you'd probably need to press F5 for the EPG Sources to refresh. After this, your lineups should be listed at the top of the screen in the EPG Sources.

ie, it's pretty straight forward. The only complication seems to be when a user has tried doing SD stuff without setting the username/password, or if they've tried too many times with the incorrect username/password, and SD block the account for 15 minutes or so.

[Graham]

If you already have lineups against your account, after entering your username/password, you'd probably need to press F5 for the EPG Sources to refresh. After this, your lineups should be listed at the top of the screen in the EPG Sources.

Sub ... Does NextPVR use the lineups added via the SD website (if they exist)?

Or ... is the NextPVR process ...

1. NextPVR asks SD for a list of lineups.
   
2. SD generates a new list of lineups based upon the zipcode entered into NextPVR.
   
3. NextPVR displays the new list of lineups received from SD.
   

Are there two lists of lineups ...

2. The list that can be viewed by logging into the SD website
   
3. The list that can be viewed in NextPVR Settings
   

Are the two lists the same because the zipcode used when creating a list via the SD website is the same as the zipcode used in NextPVR?

[mvallevand]

Graham you cannot see the SD JSON lineup on their web site I have posted this many times. It is only available via API. Users who want to use the xmltv interface use the web site interface to configure their lineups.

The lists can use different postal codes but NextPVR can only do automatic downloads and art downloading etc with the json interface.

The logic flaw is you need to create the SD access in the guide before adding the tuner which is backwards. NextPVR wants you to add a lineup even when you don't need to.

Martin

Martin