EPG Update Problems

[chrisatheneck]

The DVB EPG update only ever tries to use the device the channel was originally scanned in on. It doesn't look for other available tuners. It's best to set your EPG update to happen at a time you're unlikely to be recording. The default is like 3am, which is a pretty safe bet for most users.

Just seen this. It is unusual for 3 programmes to be recorded at 4:10am. Mostly they are free.

That raises the question: If it is trying to update and couldn't on that occasion, and if it is capable of receiving a full week, why is it failing on all of the other occasions? I've just checked and nothing was being recorded at 4:10am on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th.
Also, is it possible to tune all of the other tuners rather than copying the channel list across to avoid this problem?

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That raises the question: If it is trying to update and couldn't on that occasion, and if it is capable of receiving a full week, why is it failing on all of the other occasions? I've just checked and nothing was being recorded at 4:10am on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th.

The logs only had the one EPG update. It didn't go back as far as those dates, so I couldn't tell you about what happened another day. It certainly sounds like the symptoms of the tuner only being able to get the listings from one frequency, like it was in use.

Also, is it possible to tune all of the other tuners rather than copying the channel list across to avoid this problem?

No - that'll just mean you see the same channel multiple times in your guide, and each one will need to use it's tuner each night to pull in the listings.

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At some point in the future I'll add logic to allow the EPG update to work across any available tuner.

[chrisatheneck]

That raises the question: If it is trying to update and couldn't on that occasion, and if it is capable of receiving a full week, why is it failing on all of the other occasions? I've just checked and nothing was being recorded at 4:10am on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th.

The logs only had the one EPG update. It didn't go back as far as those dates, so I couldn't tell you about what happened another day. It certainly sounds like the symptoms of the tuner only being able to get the listings from one frequency, like it was in use.

Also, is it possible to tune all of the other tuners rather than copying the channel list across to avoid this problem?

No - that'll just mean you see the same channel multiple times in your guide, and each one will need to use it's tuner each night to pull in the listings.

Hopefully this will tell you. I didn't realise the logs would only include entries since the last log was taken.

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The EPG update from the 30th July looked fine from what I can tell. It worked through each frequency, and seemed to have a large number of listings.

The logs only showed the tail end of the EPG update on the 29th July. (didn't actually go back as far as the frequencies scanned etc - started immediately after that, where it reschedules recording)

[chrisatheneck]

The EPG update from the 30th July looked fine from what I can tell. It worked through each frequency, and seemed to have a large number of listings.

The logs only showed the tail end of the EPG update on the 29th July. (didn't actually go back as far as the frequencies scanned etc - started immediately after that, where it reschedules recording)

Thanks for your help, it's becoming clearer.

So, the tuner being in use appears to explain why my manual updates don't work. Perhaps I don't need to be restarting at all, just waiting until all tuners are free.

I'm still confused as to why, even if it couldn't update fully, it is wiping previously loaded and good entries.

And do I really have to go in and delete recordings each day even though I told it I didn't want to record those programme yesterday?

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I'm still confused as to why, even if it couldn't update fully, it is wiping previously loaded and good entries.

During the EPG update process, it deletes the existing data for the channel, and saves the new data. By being limited to single frequency, your broadcaster might only be sending now/next for channels on other frequencies. Typically it easier to delete all the old data, and insert the new data. Rather than having to work through each and every show, and decide which ones you should delete and which ones you should keep (particularly when show times might have moved etc).

And do I really have to go in and delete recordings each day even though I told it I didn't want to record those programme yesterday?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here. Are you asking about deleting recordings at 3am when the EPG update was happening? Surely you're not recording around the clock, and can nominate a time you're unlikely to be recording.

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And do I really have to go in and delete recordings each day even though I told it I didn't want to record those programme yesterday?

If this is about trying to delete individual episodes of recurring recordings, that may be the case. If your guide data includes season/episode numbers, or proper unique identifiers, then they shouldn't be rescheduled after an EPG update. If your guide data does have this, then they may be rescheduled.

[chrisatheneck]

And do I really have to go in and delete recordings each day even though I told it I didn't want to record those programme yesterday?

If this is about trying to delete individual episodes of recurring recordings, that may be the case. If your guide data includes season/episode numbers, or proper unique identifiers, then they shouldn't be rescheduled after an EPG update. If your guide data does have this, then they may be rescheduled.

Example attached. If I tell it to not record this now as part of the series it will, without fail, reinstate it post-update. Ho hum.

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Do you 'Avoid duplicate recordings where possible' ticked on the Settings->General page?