new hardware needed... not sure what...

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But it SAT>IP device is sat-only. I have no idea if you can put e.g. a sat-combiner ( https://axing.com/en/produkt/swe03001-en/ ) before this to have it include a dvb-t2 to the IP. So I really don't know enough about it, I think I should stick to what I know more.

That device wont help you. It's just a way for you to get the DVB-T and DVB-S antenna signals into a single antenna wire. Whatever you connect it to still needs to be able to tune the type of signal you're wanting to use. ie a DVB-S SAT>IP server would still only be able to use the DVB-S signal on that wire. You'd need a DVB-T tuner to use the DVB-T signal.

Edit: One more question... On a card such as the Hauppauge HVR5525 (https://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/product...r5525.html  ), which has tuners (DVB-T2, DVB-S2) and analog inputs, are the analog inputs usable when e.g. NextPVR is accessing the tuners? I would assume the tuners are not accessible for other programs, but are the analog inputs available for other software or is the entire card "locked" ? (or does it depend on the card?)

Honestly, I'm not sure on that one. I know one of these Hauppauge DVB-S capable tuners did use entirely separate components for the composite/svideo input, and they could be used in another app at the same time, but I can't remember if that was the case with the HVR-5525 or not.

[mvallevand]

I have an HVR 2250 and with Linux I can use digital ATSC on one tuner and either digital or analog svideo on the other with NextPVR. Once a select the source for tuner 2 I need to reboot to change between analog and digital. Unless you are using Linux, it is is kind of moot though since analog on Windows is for experts only.

Regarding SAT>IP those boxes seem to Linux boxes that run Enigma2 software. Based on my readings about Dreambox and VU+ over the years you often can run SAT>IP servers or m3u for IPTV from many of them. I suspect research will tell you whether the cheaper ones are good enough quality wise. I expect they won't be any better than a RPi running minisatip or SatPi with USB tuners just easier to setup.

Martin

[V_J]

Whatever you connect it to still needs to be able to tune the type of signal you're wanting to use. ie a DVB-S SAT>IP server would still only be able to use the DVB-S signal on that wire. You'd need a DVB-T tuner to use the DVB-T signal.

I assumed so, but thanks for confirming!

Honestly, I'm not sure on that one. I know one of these Hauppauge DVB-S capable tuners did use entirely separate components for the composite/svideo input, and they could be used in another app at the same time, but I can't remember if that was the case with the HVR-5525 or not.

Ok, clear answer. Safe is to assume it won't work, but there is a chance it will. Not necessarily a deal-breaker for me, but it helps to set expectations.

I have an HVR 2250 and with Linux I can use digital ATSC on one tuner and either digital or analog svideo on the other with NextPVR. Once a select the source for tuner 2 I need to reboot to change between analog and digital. Unless you are using Linux, it is is kind of moot though since analog on Windows is for experts only.

Good to know how it was with other Hauppauge cards. I will ask their tech support, maybe they will answer.
My Compro on Windows managed quite well with analog on Windows, but that was years ago when e.g. Windows Media Center took care of it. The analog inputs of that card were shared with one of the two analog tuners (one tuner in use: capture device not available and vice versa). Using digital tuners, there was no such conflict. I assumed they shared the same A/D converter, which is free if the tuners are in digital mode.

Regarding SAT>IP those boxes seem to Linux boxes that run Enigma2 software. Based on my readings about Dreambox and VU+ over the years you often can run SAT>IP servers or m3u for IPTV from many of them. I suspect research will tell you whether the cheaper ones are good enough quality wise. I expect they won't be any better than a RPi running minisatip or SatPi with USB tuners just easier to setup.

Not sure if easier to setup if you are stuck with distributions, plugins and whatnot... But either way would be more hassle for no real benefit (in my case) compared to the internal tuner/usb tuner.

edit: just chatted with Hauppauge support. They say the device is single source (and presents itself as a single BDA device), so either DVB-S or DVB-T but not both. They describe the device as 6-in-1 implying that it takes six different inputs but only one is usable at a time. He did add that third party software may offer some additional functionality, but could not be sure or elaborate on it. Their single source also includes the optional analog input bracket, it does not allow simultaneous capture but just provides easy switching between analog input sources (e.g. to switch between two composite devices without having to reconnect).
Is the single DVB-S/DVB-T2 source an issue in NextPVR, or it nicely copes with the fact that if one is in use the other is not available?

It does change my view to the HVR-5525 a bit... I could get 2 USB devices (e.g. a single DVB-T2 tuner such as the WinTV-SoloHD and a capture device such as the USB-Live2 - both also Hauppauge) for less... No DVB-S2, but my current Technisat DVB-S tuner should still work (and it is not connected anyway, so not missing much) and I would not have to worry about simultaneous access or even flexibility (move between computers or even to a raspberry or nas).... Or even getting a single DVB-T2 tuner/analog capture device (HVR-935C) which is just over half the cost of the 5525... no simultaneous use, but I could add another single-function device and still be cheaper of...

Thanks guys, I'm really learning a lot here and am more confident in which route to go or which route not to go.

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They say the device is single source (and presents itself as a single BDA device), so either DVB-S or DVB-T but not both.

Yes, there is only a single DVB tuner on there, so it can only tuned to DVB-T or DVB-S or DVB-C (not multiple at the same time). It just wasn't clear whether the analog inputs were separate, and could be used at the same time as the digital tuner. All the digital sources are on a single BDA filter. The analog sources are on a WDM source, which is slightly different.

Is the single DVB-S/DVB-T2 source an issue in NextPVR, or it nicely copes with the fact that if one is in use the other is not available?

It's only a single BDA filter for both DVB-S and DVB-T, so NextPVR will know it's only one at a time.

[V_J]

It just wasn't clear whether the analog inputs were separate, and could be used at the same time as the digital tuner. All the digital sources are on a single BDA filter. The analog sources are on a WDM source, which is slightly different.

On the chat he gave me the impression that in their software it is not possible to capture analog while using digital tuners, but that other software may be able to allow it. I'll play it safe and assume it is not possible.

It's only a single BDA filter for both DVB-S and DVB-T, so NextPVR will know it's only one at a time.

Ok, thanks!

Do I understand correctly that multiple the same devices is possible if the driver allow for it?

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Do I understand correctly that multiple the same devices is possible if the driver allow for it?

Yes.

[V_J]

Thanks for all the answers. I am now thinking of going with separate devices (usb DVB-T2 stick, USB capture dongle) or with the HVR-5525. It will depend mainly on prices and availability. At least I feel confident that for my situation and with my knowledge of these things, either of those two solutions will be good for me and manageable by me.

Thanks!

[V_J]

Sorry... just to come back with one question...

I was focussed on the set top boxes (GigaBlue, VU+) as SAT>IP server that I forgot to ask... Can it work as a network tuner (similar to a SiliconDust) that can be seen by NextPVR? They often advertise multi-room functionality, but seem to only mention same-brand clients...

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I've it's got a SAT>IP server, then NextPVR should be able to use it as a network tuner.

[V_J]

Yes... but they (e.g. GigaBlue) also seem to advertise some multiroom functionality that does not seem to be SAT>IP, but appears to use some other standard. It seems to work with clients (IPBox, or even some mobile app, Gigablue Player). I was wondering if this other standard allows for using it as a network tuner; it seems to be mentioned somewhat on Enigma2 but I cannot find good references to it.