Version 6.1.4 initial install problems

[Rich A]

And what were you using when you saw this problem? Was the mouse?

Normally with a mouse, to get that popup to appear, you'd double click on an item. It happens quite quickly, but the first click should move the focus to that item in the list, and the second one opens the popup. Is that what you're seeing?

Wait a minute .. I gotta switch over to the HTPC and refresh my memory.  I switch back and forth frm both keyboard and mouse use ... depending what I need  to do in any application.  BTW, I have some some problems with "double clicking" the mouse when needing to do that.  The mouse has a programmable center wheel that also can be used as a momentary push button.   It's programmed to do my "double clicking" for me.   So if I need to "double click" to engage something I push that button. The speed of the two clicks is very fast and is "programmable"  I think.  Been using it that way now for about 10 years.   let me visit the HTPC and try that scenario a few times.   It's one of those things that is now "automatic" and is done subconciously .

1. Using mouse.   Scroll up and down list with mouse wheel.  Then use mouse wheel built in button to select item.  When pushing that mouse wheel "in" like a button it will automatically send a fast double click. 

2. Using the KB.  Use KB directional arrows (up down) to move focus up and down list.  At selected item use KB <enter> key. 

3. In addition to the two regular mouse left and right buttons I have two buttons on side of mouse for my thumb which is programmed to mimic the left and right Keyboard keys.  I can browse and navigate most web sites etc. VERY fast.   When scrubbing or seeking to move the playing postion when watching a show (like needng to jump ahead  or back while watching a show, those two side buttons are used with my thumb.   Those fwd and back buttons are also programmable to different amounts.   For example forward jump with mouse and right KB arrows might be programmed to jump forward 3 mnutes and back 30 seconds.  With the "old" NextPVR vs 4, and my former home I lived in I had a home theater and had a remote control programmed to do everything I needed with just the remote buttons OR optionally a mouse when using NexPVR.  Pretty much the same here now ..  but no more remote.  Just a programmable mouse and keyboard.  
How's that?

[Rich A]

Eureka !!  This evening was catching up on all the things we've done so far.  Been meaning to try the YAUI Client thing.  Haven't changed anything in the HTPC at all.  First thing I did was to open up the Jen P. video using the NextPVR.exe and play it.  Still breaks up at the beginning any scrubbing along the time line causes the normal problems.  Closed NextPVR and opened trie "Yet Another Thing" .. uh sorry 'bout that ... I tried YAUI Client.  Went right to the Jen P. show and the stupid thing started WITHOUT any hiccups and was playing perfectly.  Huh?  used my mouse to scrub back and forth along the time line.  Instant response and NO jitters or delays etc. Zipped from a 2 minute mark to a 50 minute mark and back to a 30 min, then forward and back multiple times .. all instant and no problems. 

Closed YAUI and opened NextPVR.exe and started the show again and it started jumping and skipping with all the usual problems.  Jumping around the time line was full of interrupted video and sound and freezing etc. Closed it and opened YA Client and al is working perfectly again.  It's still too early to confirm everything yet.  But is sure looks like for some reason YAUI client does NOT exhibit the problems that NextPVR.exe has.  ONE slight problem with Martin's YA client is I have difficulty getting the "time line" to appear.  It's usually "hidden" during playback.  I can use the KB keys and my mouse's 4th and 5th side buttons (which mimic the KB right and left directional arrows) and the show will jump forward and back properly and sometimes the progress bar (time line) WILL suddenly appear but sometimes it stays hidden.  Have not played enough with it yet.  But at this point I have several hours of recorded shows to catch up on, and NORMALLY I can't view them with NextPVR.exe because of the breakups etc.  So I've BEEN using the VLC media player to watch the shows.  Tonight will be a good test for the YAUI Client.

<edit> ... quick additional note.  Looks like when using the YAui Client all my "navigational" issues are gone as well.   Seems noticeably more responsive and for some reason has audio that that is about 50 percent louder that the NextPVR audio.

[mvallevand]

Yes mouse support in yauiclient is an afterthought and definitely works. Playback is ffmpeg 6.0 based so it will be more like Kodi and VLC than like NextPVR. I think you will find that closed captioning support will be better but it is also quite different looking.

Not sure if you use software or h/w playback but that could be an issue for the OSD. What Celeron model are you using?

Martin

[Rich A]

Yes mouse support in yauiclient is an afterthought and definitely works.  Playback is ffmpeg 6.0 based so it will be more like Kodi and VLC than like NextPVR.  I think you will find that closed captioning support will be better but it is also quite different looking.

Not sure if you use software or h/w playback but that could be an issue for the OSD.  What Celeron model are you using?

Martin

Processor :  Intel Family 6 Model 156 .  4 core Celeron  N5095 @ 2.0 Ghz   Based on some "performance tests" the mobo integrated graphics card shows it's GPU running  I do see it spike up to 3 Ghz on occassion which I guess is when it jumps to "turbo" mode for what ever reason ??

A couple observations.   New recording this morning (5 AM)    Just checked it for playback. 
NextPVR .. start up probs.  stuttering .. Same usual problems .
CPU during playback around 60 Percent.  Graphic proc. averaging 30 percent. 
when jumping ahead and video is pausing and having problems CPU drops down to baseline around 10 Percent.  When the problem clears up and playback is back to nomal, the GPU jumps from 10 back up to a steady 60 percent.   Any time the "jittering" or breakup starts the CPU drops back down to it's baseline 10 percent ... Usually several seconds of broken up video .. and as soon as  video returns to normal the CPU goes back to 60 percent.

Then tested with YAui ... No problems with start up and all playback is fine.   CPU at an average of 23 percent, and Vid Proc GPU at average 18 percent. Doesn't seem to change much what ever I do ..  Response  to jumping positions is quick and error free.   CPU and GPU processes are pretty steady. 

Maybe those tests tell you something ?

[mvallevand]

That's a reasonable Celeron these days, I would have expected that NextPVR would run better than yaui (thats what I call it sounds like Maui if you are curious) I followed a good link yesterday https://www.techradar.com/pro/my-amazon-...these-cpus and was worried you bought a slower one. The list at the end of the article is helpful, I will buy an N100 one of these days.

Martin

[Rich A]

That's a reasonable Celeron these days, I would have expected that NextPVR would run better than yaui (thats what I call it sounds like Maui if you are curious)  I followed a good link yesterday https://www.techradar.com/pro/my-amazon-...these-cpus and was worried you bought a slower one.  The list at the end of the article is helpful, I will buy an N100 one of these days.

Martin

This "experimental" HTPC is made by "Beelink" company is the smallest and cheapest unit they sell.  I think I paid $150  (on sale) for the U59 Pro model I have. Actually got pretty decent reviews and is kinda amazing.  Have had some hardware issues in last year (bad SSD and RAM) which company replaced quickly under warrenty.   The whole experiment was frankly to get the smallest physical and lowest powered  HTPC to mount to the back of the Monitor.  And this "Beelink" model U-59 pro thing is what I am using. 

 

I think in reality,  while it "works" it's just about on the edge of being ABLE to do some of the more cpu intensive things I need it to do.   But for 150 bucks it would ( IMHO ) works well to use as a normal PC day to day PC for web browsing email and small office apps etc.   For the first 6 months or so when I was using it with only NextPVR version 4 .. it worked perfectly and reliably.   I can not stress that enough.   Six months (with only one down time when the hardware SSD and RAM failed) which the only time it was shut off.  Ran and recorded 24/7 averaging several hours a day recording and many hours of playback without ever one  glitch.  THEN (now three weeks ago) the win 11 system did a major OS update and NextPVR 4. started to have many problems.   And I could NOT fix them so I upgraded to this NPVR version 6 and now have been working on several problems with that ever since. 

I wonder If I take a one month old full drive image I have (before the win OS upgrade) and installl it, and set windows updates to max delay (so it dosesnt update the OS and stays on 21H verson).   I wonder if  the existing NPR vs 4 will be once again rock solid.  So I wonder IF I were to do an UPgrade of NPvr 4 to vers 6 with that old original Windows 11 verson ... would it till have the problems.  I'm guessing not.   Should I go thru the trouble of doing that?   Or just continue to try to fix this current problem?  

Other than that extreme reverrt back to the old windows image, maybe  I could do some kind of "fresh install" of NextPVR vs 6 ??  I would want to insure any instance of vs 6 was fully removed first.   Then try a brand new from scratch install of NPVR 6.   I'm on the fence and haven't decided to do that yet, t would like your comments on that idea.

[mvallevand]

We already noted that you probably shouldn't be using using thumbnails based on what we saw in the logs. That should bring you back to the same recording performance. I'll double down on that hearing the you can use 20-60% CPU for the player.

For my purposes there is zero value of knowing if NextPVR v4 works or if it doesn't, it isn't supported either way.

A clean install of NextPVR is not going to show much if anything. NextPVR doesn't mess with the system or registry enough for this to be a factor.

Martin

[mvallevand]

Looking at your screen shot, don't know if you saw the wiki on yauiclient it links to the special yauiclient specific keys https://github.com/emveepee/Testing/wiki...t.Keyboard and the h key turns off that title bar. If find the ] is a fun one with several uses.

I've been working on improving the mouse support in yauiclient. If you want I can upload a pre-release for your testing I don't use the mouse much. Moves will activate the OSD, double clicks should work a little better, and you can skip with the mouse wheel.

Martin

[Rich A]

Got it. Will just work on getting "this" currently installed NextPVR 6 version working. Don't care which "UI" or client I need to use, just want something that works best, which at this point is the YAui client.

The only reason I was thinking of a fresh install is that this playback stuttering etc issues is ONLY one of several other issues I haven't mentioned. Otherwise this already long thread would become a epic story. Just two more often happening issues for example are:

Navigation problems.

A listed show in any area sometimes can not be deleted. (have one now been trying to delete for several days)

And there are other issues as well. THAT is why I thought I'd try a fresh install. This initial install seems to just be "broken". But I'll take your advice and keep working to at least get this one playback issue fixed.

[Rich A]

Looking at your screen shot, don't know if you saw the wiki on yauiclient it links to the special yauiclient specific keys https://github.com/emveepee/Testing/wiki...t.Keyboard and the h key turns off that title bar.  If find the ] is a fun one with several uses.

I've been working on improving the mouse support in yauiclient.  If you want I can upload a pre-release for your testing I don't use the mouse much.  Moves will activate the OSD, double clicks should work a little better, and you can skip with the mouse wheel.

Martin

Thanks ..  I'll check out the Wiki link.  I have no problem experimenting etc.   Have a quick way to "image" the disk or system for recovery if needed  and at this point in time nothing is of "critical" importance.   I have been experimenting runnning both the NPR exe client and the YAUI client side by side.  Amazed it works.  very interesting to see the errors show up on the  exe screen and not the YA screen.  while both are being browsed and navigated at same time.  Have not tried PLAYNG a show siimultaniously on both.  I'll have to backup everything first in anticipation of a subsequent Nuclear type PC melt down.   <grin>