Lots of channels no TV and No EPG (Freesat over SAT>IP)

[sub]

I found one more issue in your last logs.

Can you try again with this one? Verbose logs again.

[mvallevand]

The issue I am talking about is when a user clicks Freesat and after scanning all 600+ channels are marked as Freesat, when some might be Open TV, some frequency based and some encrypted which doesn't always matter.


Martin

[PaulMc]

FYI, I have now also implemented the bulk of OpenTV EPG support as well, and have seen it successfully pulling out the TV listings etc. It still needs a little more work to wire it up (like trying to decide if I need an explicit "OpenTV" epg option along side "Freesat" etc). I'll hold off trying to tackle that until after we've seen the regular Freesat EPG over SAT>IP is working.

I am curious though - how many FTA channels are sky transmitting (using OpenTV)?

Sorry, I'm not sure about the answer to that question.

According to this webpage https://www.freesat.co.uk/channels there are over 160 channels. My tuner also "sees" the encrypted Sky channels as well so that bulks out the channel list you might be seeing in the logs. If there's away to only save FTA channels then that might help.

Even though they all look like Freesat, a small subset of these channels are transmitted FTA by Sky, and use this different OpenTV EPG.

I think it's these channels https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of...eesat_Mode. ie, most significant look like maybe Channel 4 and ITV 1.

Those channel names are definitely part of Freesat but I suppose that it is possible that Sky also broadcast these as part of their offerring FTA with their EPG format i.e. OpenTV. Sorry, I'm not sure how to verify this. My guess would be that these are duplicated somewhere else with a Freesat EPG.

[PaulMc]

The issue I am talking about is when a user clicks Freesat and after scanning all 600+ channels are marked as Freesat, when some might be Open TV, some frequency based and some encrypted which doesn't always matter.


Martin

I agree. I would think that this is nearly an impossible task on this satellite to know which channels are using which EPG format - from the interactive user's perspective. Hopefully this is easy to detect and specify in software.

[sub]

The issue I am talking about is when a user clicks Freesat and after scanning all 600+ channels are marked as Freesat, when some might be Open TV, some frequency based and some encrypted which doesn't always matter.

Yes they're a mixture of Freesat and OpenTV channels. I'm not entirely sure yet whether I'll explicitly add an EPG option for 'OpenTV' in the EPG dropdown. I've still got some thinking to do around OpenTV.

Just having them all marked as Freesat may be enough, since Freesat and OpenTV look like they can be enabled at the same time (ie, looking in both sets of PIDs).

[mvallevand]

If sub is able to implement Open TV then there is very good match with the 660 channels you have in your scan I see in your verbose logging.

The issue seems to be eliminating encrypted channels automatically.

Martin

[sub]

Those channel names are definitely part of Freesat but I suppose that it is possible that Sky also broadcast these as part of their offerring FTA with their EPG format

Yeah, that's pretty much the case. Sky are already transmitting these channels as part of their pay tv platform, on the transponders they already pay for, so they've just removed the encryption to allow access to them as a part of the Freesat set of channels (albeit with slight differences around EPG data etc)

[PaulMc]

Woo hoo!!

[sub]

Great!

[mvallevand]

Great work sub,

For OpenTV here are the ones that I see in the clear in there list https://pastebin.com/WQKanWYG it is a superset of Freesat but it looks like the difference will be on radio stations. That is how the missing OpenTV issue first got noticed.

Martin