Short skip no longer on OSD, timebar oversensitive.

[smiffypr]

Updated from v6.1.5.231022  to v7.0.0.241105 today and have two new issues when playing recordings with the Windows client:

I normally use a mouse (it works well on the arm of the sofa, and doesn't require me to look at it to work it) and with the new version I have lost the short skips from the OSD, which I have set to 10 seconds. (FFRWBehavior is set to Short Skip, SkipRW/FFSeconds both set to 10).
I can see a variable in the config called PlaybackOSD set to modern, but I don't know what that should be set to to revert to the previous OSD with short skip arrows (stop, <<, <, pause, >, >>).

Also, if the cursor is a tiny bit above the symbols, e.g.>>, when I click, the action is applied to the timebar, very annoying when that happens. When the cursor approaches from above, it has to be on the timebar before it works.

Resume doesn't work, it starts from the beginning but that is covered in another thread.

Subtitle colour issue is fixed as promised, thank you.

[mvallevand]

How does the mouse wheel skip work for you, I know in yauiclent that is how I do it don't know about NextPVR.exe but I think it is a good way to do it? You might find ImmediateSkip helps to if you like just short skips without thumbnails.

The introduction of thumbnails has definitely changed the way users interact with the UI and a mouse, I don't think it got much testing or feedback with the focus on the remote keys.

Martin

[smiffypr]

Mouse wheel will only move the focus up or down, i.e. time on time-bar highlighted or button highlighted.
I can only get the thumb-nails to appear using the buttons on the remote or << or >> on the OSD, by which time I've already jumped 30s.

[smiffypr]

ImmediateSkip makes no difference to mouse operation.

[mvallevand]

Have a look at how yauiclient does it, I still haven't got the keystrokes worked out on selected a thumb but with immediate skip I just shorten the time thumbs show the 30 second default is much too long.

Martin

[smiffypr]

yauiclient looks the same as the new npvr, i.e. no < and >.
Moving the mouse wheel does bring up the thumbnails, and as I scroll along the thumbnails the dot on the time line moves, but to move the video to the selected position I then have to click on the dot on the timeline. Clicking on the thumbnail does nothing.
<< <, > >> is much easier to use.

[mvallevand]

Try on file without thumbnails with immediateskip, unfortunately double click is not the same as enter you have to be bit gentle with the scroll too.

Martin

[smiffypr]

I don't understand what you are asking me to try. Yauiclient is a bit random, sometimes I can't click on the buttons, it is as if I clicked the time-bar even if my cursor is at the bottom of the screen, below the buttons, plus, I have to click on the picture to get anything up, and that might do something I don't want. often I have to try several times just to stop playback. I much prefer the way NPVR 6 worked.
The way I used to use the skips to skip adverts was >> (60 sec forward) until I was back into the program, then < (10 sec back) until I was back into the break. so I was through the ads, back to the program in a total of less than 15 seconds. For now I will set the long skip back to 10sec.

Ah, that doesn't works. It seems that the new >> and << are both now fixed at 30sec no matter what the skip values are set to in the config. (The remote control buttons still work with the settings in the config).

It seems that the short skips have been deliberately removed, and the long skips set to 30 deliberately, surely it would be easy for them to be reinstated.

[mvallevand]

During development I told sub that not all users will like this new way of skipping but at the same time it will make is accessible to more users. Sub's new preferred direction for skipping including commercials (in recordings and eventually live TV) is to use thumbnails. I hear you and know you can't please everyone but I did my best to make it work as close to previous versions of NextPVR as possible. It is not a simple thing, sub took a lot of the old handling out and had to rebuild things and I have to thank him for what he did not complain about what was lost. I am sure over time it will be improved but it was also one of the reason that v7 was delayed, impacting users who don't even use a mouse.

Who said that new OSD skips were defined as short or long? Try the keyboard or remote equivalent and see if they work with the remote I think it is pretty much business as usual with exceptions for arrow keys which are not as easy to configure.

My purpose of showing you yauiclient was strictly to show the scroll wheel skipping which I think works better than bothering with the OSD to find a click an icon. I also define mouse back as Stop avoid clicking as much as possible Both method avoid rather than enhance mouse since I don't make my clients for desktop user or gyro mice. Sub does need to work on double click in thumbs though, it doesn't seem to work with nlite or yauiclient.

Martin

[smiffypr]

Well, it's completely buggered the way I watch tv.
The >> and << on the OSD are 30 seconds and I have none of my skip variables set to 30 sec.
I'll just go back to version 6 as clearly I am the dinosaur wanting to keep using a mouse (as I find I have to look at the remote control every time to see where the buttons are. Does no one else watch the TV in the dark?)