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question on Directshow w/ Purevideo and FFDshow.

 
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question on Directshow w/ Purevideo and FFDshow.
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2006-09-05, 07:17 PM
Ever since my new build from about 2 months ago (which included my first upgrade to version 97.x) I have noticed poorer viewing quality on my recorded shows, while noticing the HUGE viewing quality increase in LiveTV and DVD's from the Purevideo hardware advantages. One of my tuners has remained unchanged and signal source (analogue cable) has not changed. The video output is through the onboard component outpute of a Nvidia 6150 mobo. Coupled with the Purevideo decoder giving access to the Purevideo enchanced deinterlacing and video processing. This is VERY noticeable in LiveTV and DVD's.

I have experimented to verify the difference in quality between the LiveTV and recordings by stopping a high quality recording midway through and then doing a side-by-side to the LiveTV. It was pretty clear that the video was much less vibrant and it appeared as if no deinterlacing was taking place at all in the recordings.

It had been brought up previously by numerous users of the Purevideo Codec including myself (a lot of discussion when the Purevideo Registry changes post went up) that the Purevideo decoder systemtray icon would come up while LiveTV or a DVD was running, but not with recording playback. The consensus was that the purevideo was running, but for some reason (suspected at being driver related) the icon would just not pop up for Directshow filtering of Mpeg2 recordings. If that was the case, since most other players built into other PVRs use the Directshow player, the behavior should be the same. I loaded up a trial version of SageTV 5.0 and tested that out, but sure enough, while watching recorded Mpeg2 programs the Purevideo icon popped up in the systemtray and looked great. Even shows recorded in GBPVR appeared with the quality and sharpness that I would see in LiveTV.

The other reason that Im starting to wonder if this is a case of how GBPVR may be handling the Directshow filters differently is I have put together my FFDshow setup and I am receiving the same behavior out of that as well. The native logs are showing the Purevideo Codec being used and FFDshow being called up, but none of the enhancing features / deinterlacing features of Purevideo or FFDshow are being called up during Mpeg2 playback. With FFDshow I set up its OSD to show CPUusage and such. It shows and all the enhancements apply themselves in WMP, Media Player Classic, and VLC (using both overlay and VMR), but none of them will show in GBPVR.

Is there any difference in the graph or filters being called up in Mpeg2 playback that is any different from LiveTV or DVD? I could understand DVD, but i would think LiveTV would behave exactly the same. I did notice in the native logs that when the decoder and everythng were called up that there was an additional log to pull up "deinterlace settings" that does not appear in the logs for watching an Mpeg2 recording. Would this have anything to do with it?

Sorry for the long post. Hope it does not drive you away sub Tongue
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2006-09-05, 08:19 PM
If you want to see what decoders are being used, and how they're being hooked up, you can add the following registry setting:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Devnz\AddGraphToROT=1 (DWORD)

You can then use GraphEdit's to 'connect to remote graph' menu option to see the graph. Its really important you remove this setting after you've done these tests. Leaving this setting in place causes problems for several things.

Let us know how you get on. Post a screenshot or something.
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2006-09-05, 08:33 PM
I dont usually use the nvidia purevideo decoder's myself, but I just checked it now to see if it worked correctly. Everything seemed as I expected, including ffdshow with OSD enabled.

As noted previously, it didnt add the tray icon. I dont what nvidia's rules are for that.

If you really need the tray icon, I remember someone said that you can set GB-PVR to use the System Default video decoder, and use the Microsoft DECCHECK utility to make the nvidia decoder the system default. This will show the tray icon.
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2006-09-05, 08:40 PM
I appreciate your quick response and check into the graph on this. Ill try the DECCHECK when i get home today. The behavior regarding the icon for both purevideo and FFDshow puzzles me on my setup. Especially since they are showing up on playback on every other program and every other type of playback in GB. I know that the icon shouldnt really make any difference but the difference I get in the quality of the viewing has left be baffled. Will be doing alot this week to see if i cant hash something out.

Thanks again sub.
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2006-09-05, 08:48 PM
Quote:The behavior regarding the icon for both purevideo and FFDshow puzzles me on my setup. Especially since they are showing up on playback on every other program and every other type of playback in GB.
The ffdshow icon shows up fine for me.

I'm not doing anything special that I'm aware of with nvidia decoder that would stop the tray icon appear. Infact, just now I tried manually making a graph using this decoder in graphedit and the tray icon was also missing.
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2006-09-05, 10:02 PM
out of curiosity, when you open up the decoder settings in config do you get all the VMR deinterlacing options (vmr default, vmr stretch, etc...). Also, what output does it show (i.e. YUY2, YU12, with DVXA acceleration or software acceleration)? When i open in the decoder option on the config the deinterlace options are limited to best available, display fields separate, display fields together. The output also is stuck at YUY2 with software acceleration output (even though hardware acceleration is checked). But when I play a DVD or watch live TV and open the systray icon settings I get the full VMR deinterlace options and output changes to YU12 and DVXA accel.

Tonight Ill start the experimenting and see if i can post some screenshots.
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2006-09-05, 10:08 PM
I have no control over exactly which settings it shows. I just ask the decoder to "show your settings page" and it takes care of the rest.

It gives me these settings.
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2006-09-07, 02:35 PM
sub Wrote:If you want to see what decoders are being used, and how they're being hooked up, you can add the following registry setting:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Devnz\AddGraphToROT=1 (DWORD)

You can then use GraphEdit's to 'connect to remote graph' menu option to see the graph. Its really important you remove this setting after you've done these tests. Leaving this setting in place causes problems for several things.

Let us know how you get on. Post a screenshot or something.

Say, is there any way we can add this registry tweak to the Wiki or something? Seems very useful.
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2006-10-22, 09:22 PM
Sub,

I'm unable to get FFDShow raw video filter to show up in the flow... is there any way to get it to connect?
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