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Windows 7, 1.4.7, UAC & how I finally managed to stop banging my head on the desk

 
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Windows 7, 1.4.7, UAC & how I finally managed to stop banging my head on the desk
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2010-03-23, 08:39 PM (This post was last modified: 2010-03-23, 08:43 PM by motteroy.)
Just a quick note to explain the frustrating day I've had, and what I did to finally resolve the problem (at least, I think it's resolved).

I've just installed Windows 7 Professional (clean install) & upgraded to 1.4.7 on re-installing GB PVR.

All looked good until I tried to record something. The recording service was running, the id I was using was set up as an Administrator, I found the programmes to record & selected a quick record. The programmes were marked to record in the listings screen, and also appeared in the Pending list under Recordings. All looked good.

The following day (the day after they were supposed to record), they still appeared in the Pending list.

I scratched my head, and thought that the PC must have gone to sleep instead of recording (I quite like the W7 Sleep/Hibernate hybrid).

I then tried to delete them from the Pendings list. They wouldn't go.

I checked the security settings for the GBPVR directory & the gbpvr.db3 file & gave everyone every access, adding Local Service, just to be sure.

Still no effect.

I deleted the pending records from the RECORDING_SCHEDULE table, just in case these were messing things up (I know, but I was getting desperate, particulary since there was nothing in the logs to indicate there was a problem ... in fact, having switched the logs to Debug, they reassuringly told me that the deletion of the pending programmes had been successful, when they clearly had not been).

I set up a few dummy recordings to take place immediately. Nothing recorded, and I couldn't then delete the entries from the pending list. In fact, I couldn't delete them from the standard Recordings screen, but I could from the TV Recordings plug-in ... except they popped back again, so I was clearly operating only on a cache.

There was nothing in the Windows Event Log (that I could see) to indicate what was going wrong, but I was sure it must be something to do with security permissions, despite my ID having full admin rights.

I could find nothing in the Forum to suggest a solution (forgive me if it's in bold in half a dozen key posts from sub all labelled "Important - please read", but I REALLY did look hard for a solution from you guys & I found nothing).

In desperation, I switched off UAC (not something I really wanted to do).

SUCCESS !!! I could record & delete enties from the pending list.

To be sure that it was not something else I'd done, I put UAC back at the recommended level, re-booted, & lo & behold the problem resurfaced (no recording, couldn't delete pending entries).

Except switching off UAC is a bit of a nuclear option, so I thought about refining things.

I also thought about whether setting the PVRX2 & Config progs to run as Administrator. I couldn't see why this would help, since I AM an administrator, but what the heck ... I couldn't see why UAC notification should make a difference either, but it clearly does, so I tried it.

SUCCESS !!

So ... bottom line, after all this, all I had to do was right click the icons in my Start Programs list, choose Properties from the context menu that pops up, choose the compatibility tab, hit the Change options for all users button & tick the Run this program as an administrator check-box.

I've typed all this so that:

a) those of you older (unlikely) & wiser might be entertained for a short while
b) those of you as inexperienced as me, hitting a similar problem & seeking desperately for a solution might avoid the frustration that I had.

Oh, and in passing, it's an excellent program Sub - many, many thanks for all your efforts - at one point today I thought I was going to have to convert to Windows Media Center, & I wasn't a happy bunny.
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2010-03-23, 10:29 PM
Thank you for this - when I installed Windows 7 I did have issues; even with the xmltv grabber and remote control ini. But having read about problems caused by UAC in Vista I took the 'nuclear' option and turned it off. The question now is - should I turn it on again? I see UAC being an advantage where there are mutiple users of a PC, but the PC I installed W7 on is only used by me and has no user accounts setup, so not sure what it offers?
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2010-03-24, 01:57 AM
I had not run into those issues migrating from my windows xp days, because I had installed GBPVR and all the plugins into a separate drive and folder than c:\Program Files\....

I did this due to backup ease and isolating the PVR side of things from OS rebuilds.

My opinion is that it would be a better option to have UAC on and work around it in other ways, but computer security is personal thing.
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2010-03-24, 09:28 AM
With Vista I have installed in a self created C:\GBPVR folder, no problems
I do this for all my epg/remote monitor start ups too

As long as you are out of the c:\Programs folder windows leaves you alone a lot more
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2010-03-24, 09:41 AM
But what's the point of UAC and the C:\Program Files\ folder if you have to install anything usable elsewhere?? For me anything that makes the machine unusable for its intended purpose has to go, so for a machine that is only a PVR, UAC gets turned off at the first opportunity.
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2010-03-24, 04:32 PM
I always just change the permissions on the GBPVR folder under program files to allow users of the computer to have the same access as admin. This was a tip Martin gave out a while back. Ideally, GBPVR would install itself in such a manner that the config and db file get put somewhere else.
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2010-03-24, 06:11 PM
I know that it has been on the wishlist before that the data files (database, logs, config etc) be kept in a different place - mainly for backup purposes, but with the arrival of vista and UAC it is needed more. ISTR sub said he was looking at it, but I don't know how close the change may be??

Me, I'm sticking with XP - mine is a headless server and I can't see what paying for a licence upgrade would give me (other than headaches??).
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2010-03-24, 06:43 PM
The next release is UAC friendly, and is able to have the data files outside of the "Program Files" directory.
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