System Plugin - New Test Release (29th Jan)

[bgowland]

We'll agree to disagree.

We'll have to, because it sounds like I can't win either way

Don't get me wrong Iain, as with any of the devs here I can appreciate that a lot of hours of work have gone into this. I like the functionality it's just more of a 'feature' issue. In general there usually is a win scenario if the user settings are flexible enough.

Because of the max-of-5-visible issue, I disabled the ability to hide options (figuring the menu would do it instead), but if I move to a Power popup and hence less menu buttons again, I might reinstate that. That might keep *some* of you happy

Well to be honest just having the ability to hide options would make things right from my personal use of the plugin. As things stand even with the 5 button limitation, there are things there that I won't ever need.

PS - Just make sure there's a PIN so the kids can't access the plugin

If that's important to you, I could add it, but maybe being able to hide options (see above) would do?

I'll reword slightly to having an option of a PIN for power functions rather than the whole plugin. Obviously the ability to hide power options would suffice, but for those who want the options there and have kids, it occurs to me that an optional PIN for system critical functions such as shutdown / reboot might be a useful (necessary?) safe-guard.

Cheers,
Brian

[mvallevand]

We've all been using sub's wares for a long time. Ask yourself: is a new user going to download this software and expect to find a hidden menu via remote by pressing 1 of 4 random colored buttons on it?

The trouble probably began when it was coined the "hidden" menu plus perhaps the awkward arrow key start. The Home key, which I think is the Info key on the PC remote activates it too and it is pretty intuitive. Ideally remotes would all have a menu key and that is how it mapped on the Hauppauge remote but it is a good compromise. I used to like the left menu especially in XBMC, but UI's evolve.

The colour keys really have nothing to do with the context menu, they are just quick keys to use instead of navigating the options on the menu.

Martin

[mvallevand]

Because of the max-of-5-visible issue

I thought you understood that this wasn't an issue?

Martin

[imilne]

I thought you understood that this wasn't an issue?

Heh, yes, but not at the time I removed the option to hide buttons, which is what my quote was referring to above.

I'm going to leave the skin as-is and stick with its five button limitation, but move all the power options (and probably Exit) into their own (pin-protected) popup. That would leave the menu with just Back, Update EPG, Power, and View. Unless there's overwhelming support to leave it in, I'll also drop the "Restart (NPVR) Service" option too, as that was only ever a hack and surely isn't needed anymore?

One of the options I don't personally use is "Back", because I always just use Exit (Esc) on my remote, so I'd love to see a global option to hide that from all NPVR menus. And the [..] "Up" buttons in every list of files too.

Iain

[mvallevand]

One of the options I don't personally use is "Back", because I always just use Exit (Esc) on my remote, so I'd love to see a global option to hide that from all NPVR menus.

Sometimes you need it for inset video.

And the [..] "Up" buttons in every list of files too.

As an option yes, but it does have it's place since hitting Play on it has different behaviour. I would like it to optionally either show the folder art and not back.png, since it ruins the "bling" or default to the first real item in the list.

Martin

[Reddwarf]

Than I guess you and I make 10 cents. I'll be sticking with the previous version rather than using the top menu version. I just don't like how that top menu works either.

Make that 15 cent

[imilne]

Make that 15 cent

It'll take a far higher number than that - donated to sub by the way - to make me revert to the button list now :p

Iain

[smajor]

FWIW, the "Restart Service" was incredibly useful to us. On rare occasion one of our HD-PVRs will get stuck "on" after a recording. A quick Restart Service from this plug-in made it all better.

Any chance of leaving that in? Please?

[Reddwarf]

It'll take a far higher number than that - donated to sub by the way - to make me revert to the button list now :p

Iain

I'm not saying I won't use the hidden menu, I just agree that for this particular plugin the button list is more handy. And I'd hate to lose the Restart Service button too.

[imilne]

Ok, no problems, I'll leave the restart option in.

Iain