"Community Skin" testers needed.

[McBainUK]

I'm about tho withdraw from this whole discussion

This is not needed or good for the progress of the CommunitySkin and/or common images system.

get all plugins to work with all skins

[SIZE="4"]The aim of a set of XMLs working off CommonImages, CommonTextStyles surely is the same as this!? If an XML file, or set of files, is made to point to defined names for images and text then this will mean great flexability for skinners. By skinners I mean people who make images/images sets and those who would want to make additional XMLs to change screen layout. The end user benifits from this by being able to swap and change images and, if they wish to, layouts to suit their need.[/SIZE]

Community skin project from testing new ideas and methods.....This is how things can get filtered back into blue if we are sucessful in providing a clean and effiecient system that can provide benefits to sub instead of asking him to make changes just because we want him to.

If this system can be included/accomadated in Blue then all the better, but maybe the skining system we are all working on here will be an alternative, for those users who like to fiddle with their systems and change looks, colours etc.

[MixMan]

Maybe, for once, instead of declaring a way of doing things is gospel, why not propose an alternative :mad:

I have not looked at current textstyles but if ButtonText is already used then that should be considerd.


Is this what he is doing for the 98.x Blue skin? I havnt played with the pre-releases yet. Sub?

Have a look at the current Text styles in the baseskin.xml

<!-- text style -->
<TextStyles>
<!-- This is a special case text style. If you dont specify a specific attribute on another font, these will be used as defaults. -->
<TextStyle name="Default" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="16" style="bold"/>

<!-- *************************************** Common TextStyles, attempt to use as much as possible with plugins ****************************** -->

<!-- Button and Title text styles -->
<TextStyle name="ScreenName" color="#2562b0" typeFace="Arial" size="32" style="bold" /><!--Max size=32 -->
<TextStyle name="ButtonText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="14" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="ButtonTextSelected" color="Yellow" typeFace="Tahoma" size="14" style="bold" />

<!-- Button and Title text styles -->
<TextStyle name="GeneralText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->
<TextStyle name="SelectedGeneralText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!-- Added Name is hardcoded by some pugins -->

<!-- Icon View text styles-->
<TextStyle name="IconText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="IconTextSelected" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->

<!-- List View text styles -->
<TextStyle name="ListText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="ListTextSelected" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->

<!-- Popup Dialog text styles -->
<TextStyle name="PopupTags" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="PopupText" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold" />

<!-- Remote Control Hint Text-->
<TextStyle name="HintText" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->

<!-- ***************************************TVguide and Live Guide text styles ***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="Guide" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ChannelNames" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="TimesPeriods" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SelectedProgrammeTitle" color="#a2c9f1" typeFace="Arial" size="15" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SelectedProgrammeDesc" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="CurrentTime" color="#a2c9f1" typeFace="Arial" size="16" style="bold"/>

<!-- popup -->
<TextStyle name="ProgrammePopupTitle" color="#a2c9f1" typeFace="Arial" size="15" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ProgrammePopupDescription" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>

<!--***************************************Recordings*************************************** -->
<TextStyle name="NothingScheduled" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="11" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ProgrammeTitle" color="White" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ScheduledWhen" color="White" typeFace="Tahoma" size="11" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Status" color="Transparent" typeFace="Tahoma" size="12" style="bold"/>

<!-- Shared -->
<TextStyle name="Pending" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Ready" color="LightGreen" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Conflict" color="Orange" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Failed" color="Red" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Recording" color="Orange" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="Reoccurring" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>

<!-- the following are used by the Recording Details popup -->
<TextStyle name="ManualRecordingShowTitle" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="ManualRecordingTags" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="ManualRecordingSettings" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold" />

<!-- List View -->
<!-- renamed to "ListText" in recordings skin.xml file -->
<!--
<TextStyle name="ListViewItems" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ListViewFolders" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
-->
<!-- Details View -->
<!-- renamed to "ListText" in recordings skin.xml file -->
<!--
<TextStyle name="DetailsViewItemsTitle" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="DetailsViewItems" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="DetailsViewFolders" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
-->

<!-- ***************************************Library files specific and NoItems used in Recordings also ***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="NoItems" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->
<TextStyle name="TranscodeTag" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->
<TextStyle name="TranscodeText" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Added-->

<!--***************************************Search Guide text styles These are hardcoded Textstyles ***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="SelectedProgrammeDesc" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SelectedProgrammeTitle" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SelectedProgrammeChannel" color="#a2c9f1" typeFace="Arial" size="13" style="bold"/>

<!-- ***************************************FM Radio ListView text styles ***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="LockText" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="StationFrequency" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>

<!--<TextStyle name="StationName" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListText-->
<!--<TextStyle name="StationNameFocus" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListTextSelected-->

<!-- ***************************************Net Radio ListView text styles*************************************** -->
<TextStyle name="DetailTag" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/> <!--Hardcoded by plugin, also used in FM Radio-->
<TextStyle name="DetailInfo" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/> <!--Hardcoded by plugin, also used in FM Radio-->

<!--<TextStyle name="DetailsViewGenreTitle" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListText-->
<!--<TextStyle name="DetailsViewGenreTitleFocus" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListTextSelected-->
<!--<TextStyle name="DetailsViewItemsTitle" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListText-->
<!--<TextStyle name="DetailsViewItemsTitleFocus" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="12" style="bold"/>--> <!--Changed to be ListTextSelected-->

<!-- ***************************************OSD and subtitles ***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="Header" color="White" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SwitchText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/> <!--Might be able to switch this to PopupText-->
<TextStyle name="OSDText" color="White" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="OSDStatusText" color="White" typeFace="Tahoma" size="15" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="SubtitleFont" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="24" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="SubtitleItalicFont" color="White" typeFace="Arial" size="24" style="italic" />

<!-- ***************************************Panels text styles*************************************** -->
<TextStyle name="Clock" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="14" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="NextRecording" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold" />
<TextStyle name="NextRecordingTime" color="LightGray" typeFace="Arial" size="14" style="bold" />

<!--***************************************System plugin***************************************-->
<TextStyle name="EpgUpdateText" color="Yellow" typeFace="Arial" size="16" style="bold" align="left" />

</TextStyles>

[MixMan]

Have a look at Subs Blue text styles. Any difference with Community skins?

<TextStyles>
<!-- This is a special case text style. If you dont specify a specific attribute on another font, these will be used as defaults. -->
<TextStyle name="Default" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/>

<!-- other text styles -->
<TextStyle name="ScreenName" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="17" style="bold"/>
<TextStyle name="ButtonText" color="LightGray" typeFace="Tahoma" size="13" style="bold"/>
</TextStyles>

[Fatman_do]

Sorry, I don't know how in many posts I have tried to explain how we should get all plugins to work with all skins. No one has confirmed or understood my suggestions with that basic idea.? You all are focused on creating something new without considering what exists.

I'm about tho withdraw from this whole discussion.
I will probably remove plugin support from the Advisor/Baseskin skin gradually....as it look right now.

Mixman, just by coming up with common image names does not mean it is a solution that works with every skin. That helps no current exsisting skin now correct?

CommonImages is a new idea that doesn't consider what exists in Blue, Plain Jane, Sassari, ContourHC, Flat-Blue Hi-Vis, ect.

It seemed like you were happy to take it this far. Why all of a sudden decide to draw a line and say "stop here"?

There are more changes I want to test out that will truely help more skins than just adding image support or changing image names. This does involve adding even more features into the baseskin.xml file. That one file is all that a skin would need to modify for greater support.

These features sub can take advantage of even if he never wants to use images in blue.

My hope is that this skin can be a springboard for any skin design using any method a skinner, user, plugin author would want. Something that is truely more universal than any skin before.

I am not doing this for me, or my own needs. I can come up with a skin to do whatever I want. I am working on this for the "us". For the users out there who ask questions. For the user out there who has tried and failed at skinning dozens of times. To make things easier for everyone.

I enjoy interacting with this community so much and feel a part of it that I even help out supporting skins that are not my own (and will continue to do so unless my help is not appreciated). What other skinner does this? I could answer all those questions with "Try my skin, its better". I have really tired to not do that. I even wrote tutorials on two skin methods I didn't have any involvement with creating.

We need more involvement, not less. Please reconsider and stay part of the discussion MixMan. If anything I have posted makes you feel I am aggressively "against you", I am not.

We can agree to disagree on things.

Just ask Old Dog, we don't see eye to eye on methods either, but I enjoy conversing with him and batting around ideas. He has stepped away from this project probably due to my tone at times also.

I just hope I am not the cause of bad feelings towards this whole seires of threads by anybody reading.

[MixMan]

Well, what I wanted was to see a new image based plugin skin that all skinners could use.
This has turned into the Community skin with like is seems putting alot into the baseskin.xml.
Plugin skins will not be so "portable" then, that easy to figure out.
You guys continue with the baseskin.xml experiment.
It will be interesting to see where it ends.

Renaming ButtonText ....just was too much for me....today.

[Fatman_do]

Fair enough.

Just remember, everything is still a work in process.

Standardizing on image names did nothing to improve plugin portablility. It only is an improvement if every skin is done that way. The same can be said about textstyles and newer features. If you want to take a break, great. I just don't want to lose you in this effort.

[MixMan]

This is not needed or good for the progress of the CommunitySkin and/or common images system.


[SIZE="4"]The aim of a set of XMLs working off CommonImages, CommonTextStyles surely is the same as this!? If an XML file, or set of files, is made to point to defined names for images and text then this will mean great flexability for skinners. By skinners I mean people who make images/images sets and those who would want to make additional XMLs to change screen layout. The end user benifits from this by being able to swap and change images and, if they wish to, layouts to suit their need.[/SIZE]


If this system can be included/accomadated in Blue then all the better, but maybe the skining system we are all working on here will be an alternative, for those users who like to fiddle with their systems and change looks, colours etc.

You just lost one skinner. Good luck with the text naming

[McBainUK]

You just lost one skinner. Good luck with the text naming

If you want to take a break, great. I just don't want to lose you in this effort

Same here.

[Fatman_do]

[Brian_W]

You just lost one skinner. Good luck with the text naming

Speaking from a non-skinner, and somewhat of a developer, I do hope you reconsider at some point in the future. You have greatly contributed to GBPVR and it would be a setback to lose your abilities and input on matters such as these.

Brian