Possible N-PVR Wiki

[Jaggy]

Why not basically set it up like the current wiki is now, after Fatman_do's last modifications to the basic structure it is working well & is fairly new user friendly....isn't it?

I just thought I better make sure it was clear what I meant by this comment.

That is have the NPVR sub wiki setup like the GB-PVR wiki is now.

[mvallevand]

I take a more drastic approach. I think the old GBPVR wiki should simply morph into the NPVR wiki. Old pages could be updated refreshed etc to reflect new information by new contributors and early adopters if the old guard is reluctant to take the role on. GB-PVR works but it is dead sub doesn't support it (think about it this time last year I remember beta testing 1.4.x. ), "maintained plugins" does not mean it works because Fatman_do has updated a skin, it means the author is around making changes. Most instructions are obsolete and not Win7 compatible. A have not read one post from saying one skin or plugin for GBPVR is even active.

This would happen much more smoothly if people were more accepting of the fact that NPVR is the way to go.

Martin

[steeb]

I just thought I better make sure it was clear what I meant by this comment.

That is have the NPVR sub wiki setup like the GB-PVR wiki is now.

I am completely clear with your comments, in all awe and respect to what Fatman_do did he is an absolute genius with tinkering 'behind the scenes' to make the wiki system look flawless, I am only suggesting looking at the structure again, now when we have the chance, to see if there may be a better way to structure it so that in essence it functions and looks just like it does now? But from the start?

Excellent debate!

Steeb

[sub]

OK here's my .01c worth.

Firstly I really dislike plugins/skins/utilities being under a heading "3rd party additions" for a couple of reasons, it is another unnecessary click to get to them & it makes them hidden away & it is hard enough getting new users to have a play with the tack'ons as it is.

Yeah, I'd probably get rid of the "3rd part additions" link and just directly have 'Skins', 'Plugins', 'Utilities' instead.

"if you select the default skin does that fix it" type messages

Thats not meant to sounds negative, and is a pretty good way to work out whether is skin related or a generic issue in the app. At the end of the day, I dont have time (or energy) to download and install a skin or plugin each time a problem is reported, so its hard for me fault find outside of the default install.

[Jaggy]

I take a more drastic approach. I think the old GBPVR wiki should simply morph into the NPVR wiki

I think this will happen naturally but not the way you are suggesting "I" feel that would be very confusing & especially so for new users.

What I see happening is NPVR will be a link on the GB-PVR wiki at the moment (it needs to be up the top though not down the bottom) & not too far in the future GB-PVR will be a link on the NPVR wiki.

"maintained plugins" does not mean it works because Fatman_do has updated a skin, it means the author is around making changes.

I agree but I also think as well as maintained we should have a "tested working with 1.x.xx" as for most of us that is actually more important than if it is maintained.

A have not read one post from saying one skin or plugin for GBPVR is even active.

Well my skins are still active & if someone asked for something it would most likely be added, as I am still using 1.4.7 myself & could well be for quite some time I have actually been doing some updating on my GB-PVR "HV" skin anyway (I am undecided if I will release it or not though)

[Jaggy]

"if you select the default skin does that fix it" type messages

Thats not meant to sounds negative, and is a pretty good way to work out whether is skin related or a generic issue in the app. At the end of the day, I dont have time (or energy) to download and install a skin or plugin each time a problem is reported, so its hard for me fault find outside of the default install.

I wasn't suggesting there was anything wrong with that comment & it is the only practical way to work out if it is a skin or plugin problem, all I know is as a "new user" many moons ago because most of the messages were to me negative towards skins & plugins I was to scared to add any to my PVR in case I broke it..........now look at me developing skins & helping develop plugins....how things change
I am not sure there is anyway to change this it is just the nature of a support forum, people message when things go wrong & are quite when everything is working right.

[steeb]

Originally Posted by mvallevand
I take a more drastic approach. I think the old GBPVR wiki should simply morph into the NPVR wiki

I think this will happen naturally but not the way you are suggesting "I" feel that would be very confusing & especially so for new users.

I think I understand Jaggy here if you mean happen naturally by a morph to a new wiki?

Once again Martin, I cannot see how you would like the existing wiki to morph into an N-PVR one without a complete re-write of at least 40% of all the pages and something like 75% of all the categories? N-PVR will naturally take over but I would love to see the person that takes on changing the current wiki to fit it, and keeps everything clarified and everyone sane in the meantime

But as I said, I would love to see that person declare themselves now and I would give up on my wiki quest!

Still enjoying the debate

Steeb

[mvallevand]

Never mind, I don't want to rock the boat anymore. Being a fan of sub's work, I want to do my best to make NPVR a success even if it meant "throwing away" a product that is as stellar as PVRx2. I'll be quiet now and go back to documenting in the forums the way I prefer anyway. That way you guys build the wiki without my interference.

Martin

[steeb]

That way you guys build the wiki without my interference.

You may call it interference, I don't, and anyway I don't know why I'm pushing this new wiki as I'm still on PVRX2 and won't be shifting for ages! Not with my MVP's that work with live TV

I can't see anyone in a better place to help with new documentation than you.

Actually I do know why I keep pushing for N-PVR wiki, so that PVRX2 wiki can live on, unblemished, and not get chopped about, I think I said this before somewhere else! Too many people spent too much time getting it pretty spot on, now why lose that?!

Let's not lose it, preservation I say, GB-PVR wiki intact, new wiki for N-PVR?

I personally would love you to get on board with any idea on new documentation, if only because I would love to see the plugin you're working on

Steeb

[Jaggy]

steeb that's a rather large contradiction

I'm still on PVRX2 and won't be shifting for ages!

if only because I would love to see the plugin you're working on

without using NPVR you are not going to see those plugins

Seriously I think the important thing now is to get the new wiki pages up & running "like NOW" so they can be used by both developers & users alike.