Possible N-PVR Wiki

[stustunz]

i cant see why the home page for wiki just doesnt have two links one for gbpvr and for npvr
why is that so hard am i missing something

[steeb]

i cant see why the home page for wiki just doesnt have two links one for gbpvr and for npvr
why is that so hard am i missing something

You're not missing anything, I set up a simple example of this over a week ago with a header at the top of current wiki. You tell me what you think is missing and if no dissent to your POV anything is achievable, after all only words!

Steeb

[steeb]

I've been dying to respond to this Jaggy! Well actually I hope not dying!

steeb that's a rather large contradiction

That's me an enigma!

I'm still on PVRX2 and won't be shifting for ages! if only because I would love to see the plugin you're working on

without using NPVR you are not going to see those plugins

Well I would at least know what I was being offered to make my N-PVR experience even better! By helping to create N-PVR wiki, then I would understand it better!

I refer to a fairly recent but old post of mine:

http://forums.gbpvr.com//showthread.php?...post380540

Seriously I think the important thing now is to get the new wiki pages up & running "like NOW" so they can be used by both developers & users alike.

Absolutely, and I think we may be getting close now, this has gone round and round, and let's face it who actually put the initial pages up there (with some prompting from a few sacred wiki elves), me, I really don't want to waste any more time with the community going round and round in endless discussions, there's a nice tight knit group here now discussing this and I am very open to all suggestions but I think just needs to be 'pushed forward'.

still enjoying this debate!

Steeb

[stustunz]

The main page should have no other links but
1>gbpvr and 2>npvr
Then when you click on one you get either the links for gbpvr or the links for npvr
(very simple no flashy crap to confuse people)

At present the links are all on the left still. They need to be gone on the home page.
People need only 2 options otherwise you will still get the mess that you are talking about
2 options with a picture of the home screen default home screen from gbpvr and the default home screen of npvr
as these are the screens people will see first when they install the program and run it for the first time

but i dont think npvr should get its own new wiki

[steeb]

Hi stustunz,

never forget you were one of the people that said 'do it'!

So I 'dun it

Let's work this through in the debate:

the main page should have no other links but gbpvr and npvr

Do you really mean this? I mean I or anyone could just delete the main page and just say 'GB-PVR here'. 'N-PVR here'.

Or are you referring to the sidebar nav?

then when you click on one you get either the links for gbpvr or the links for npvr
very simple no flashy crap to confuse people

I think you are referring to the sidebar nav?

at present the links are all on the left still they need to be gone on the home page
people need only 2 options otherwise you will still get the mess that you are talking about
2 options with a picture of the home screen default home screen from gbpvr and the homescreen of npvr

In fact I'm sure you are and if this is the case I think your's is the best suggestion so far?

but i dont think npvr should get its own new wiki

I don't 'think' it should, but I cannot see how else to do it. How would you integrate current GB-PVR wiki with N-PVR? And not make the 'mess' that came with PVRX2 even more complex by introducing N-PVR that as its core has a whole different configuration set up?

Steeb

[stustunz]

ive just thought it through some more and forget what i said
its not going to work because eventually gbpvr wont really be used
so instead I think maybe for now my option above would work
But in the future say 3 months it should change again (or now)
the main page should be all npvr
and if you want to get to gbpvr it should be a link on the left at the bottom

Link something like "legacy gbpvr" which matches the forum
lets face it who looks up stuff from gbpvr since it changed to pvrx2

now i see why its going around in circles lol

[steeb]

now i see why its going around in circles

How's that song go? 'like a circle within a circle like a wheel within a wheel.....'

ive just thought it through some more and forget what i said
its not going to work because eventually gbpvr wont really be used

It won't, Martin said this, Sub has backed it up, and a few others, however I'm a sad old git that will hold onto GB-PVR and my MVP's until I can afford NMT's to replace them all! Having said that I know this is going to happen sooner rather than later!

so instead I think maybe for now my option above would work

It could and why not so!

But in the future say 3 months it should change again (or now)
the main page should be all npvr
and if you want to get to gbpvr it should be a link on the left at the bottom

I'll take that in 1 bite! Or is that byte? For now I think everything should point at GB-PVR while a wiki for N-PVR is in its infancy. N-PVR is in its beta stage for now, so is a possible wiki. For now GB-PVR exists can we leave it that way and its wiki? I think we would all be much better placed this way for when N-PVR becomes official then hopefully so too does its wiki?

still thoroughly enjoying this debate!

Steeb

[McBainUK]

i cant see why the home page for wiki just doesnt have two links one for gbpvr and for npvr
why is that so hard am i missing something

Wiki sites work on a group / subgroup structure so to have a split for GBPVR / NPVR would be a bad solutiuon as you would end up with a structure like this:

* GBPVR\Manual
* NPVR\Manual
*...

* Manual\Live TV
* Manual\Videos
* ...

IMO it would be best for the current wiki to be archived and then the NPVR wiki created 'in-place'. OR a new, separate, pmwiki installation created on the webserver.
Only a wiki admin with server access can do this (I know this because I run my own pmwiki). I would also like to offer my assistance with wiki admin tasks as I'm aware of the burden it can be on sub - who would rather be programming (by his own and our admission) then doing boring admin tasks .

FWIW: I'm currently trailing (for WAF) NPVR and use GB-PVR every day.

[steeb]

Dear all,

I think there are some really good comments here all round, enough to set up the structure for plugins and skins, so if people are happy for me to do this I'll go away and have another 'tinker'.

@ McBain

IMO it would be best for the current wiki to be archived and then the NPVR wiki created 'in-place'. OR a new, separate, pmwiki installation created on the webserver.

Hopefully that is what we are working towards, the current set up is an idea for a plan to try and please everyone, while retaining the current wiki for now and beginning the creation of a new one. The theory being -

Create N-PVR as a group on current wiki, with correct structure in place

In the near future then create a wiki farm enabling both wiki's to co-exist with separate identities (but as you rightly point out this will need admin server access)

In the meantime work 'offsite' on a new wiki look using latest pmwiki engine and adding any recipes that would be of use. Then when the time is right and there is a new permanent home for New wiki this can be uploaded AND populated with the content that has been created in 'temporary' N-PVR wiki. Phew, does that make any sense :eek:

Only a wiki admin with server access can do this (I know this because I run my own pmwiki). I would also like to offer my assistance with wiki admin tasks as I'm aware of the burden it can be on sub - who would rather be programming (by his own and our admission) then doing boring admin tasks

I have a suspicion that someone will take you up on that

cheers

Steeb

[steeb]

It's a work in progress!

Progress is slow! That's me holding the Llama (not really, my trousers cover my boots)

Steeb