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Can I use the MVP Remote via USB-UIRT and other Q's
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2006-08-10, 07:30 AM (This post was last modified: 2006-08-10, 01:49 PM by jksmurf.)
Unfortunately when I discovered my Lifeview TV Walker mini was a noisy and rather unreliable piece of schistosity, I hurriedly went out and bought a Hauppauge PVR-150. A bit too hurriedly as it turned out, as I bought the OEM 1042 Model, without the remote, but I justified this to myself by:

(a) knowing I had an MVP (which I use 80%~90% of the time anyway) that has a remote and
(b) I could add a remote later and
© It was not too expensive given I had already bought the Lifeview (and abandoned it as a rather bad joke).

As it turned out (b) is partially a no-go either, as the PVR-150 Model I have, (the 1045 model), doesn't have a 1/8 mini jack for a blaster/transmitter, so couldn't be plugged in directly. Never mind, there are other options (I think).

Anyway, I bought a USB-UIRT which changes channels STB beautifully. As an aside, I'm still amazed that I can sit on the sofa downstairs, press my MVP remote, that sends a signal to the MVP, which routes it though the Ethernet cable to my wireless bridge router, that sends a command wirelessly upstairs to my main router, which zaps it through a wired Ethernet cable to my PC (which is my GBPVR centre) then via USB to my USB-UIRT, which zaps my STB which changes channel and sends the video back through a reverse path all the way to the TV. Amazing stuff when you think about it.

So I was sitting on my bed last night playing some music though WMP player on the PC and I thought, well, I could use GBPVR to do this and with a remote I wouldn't have to even get my butt off the bed to skip a song or two.

So my real question is this. I want to sit on my bed and turn on GBPVR (on the PC) and listen to music, maybe watch TV. Are the following all viable options and if so, which option would you recommend?

(a) Use my existing MVP remote to send signals directly to the USB-UIRT's receiver (cheapest option if it works) i.e. not via the MVP Box, which will be downstairs. As I understand the remote control wiki entry and the one on IRREMOTE.INI via IR32.exe, this is only applicable with the Receiver/Blaster that comes with the PVR-150 (or PVR500), so will the Hauppauge MVP remote work at all, say via HIP or Girder?)
(b) Purchase just a MCE Remote (apparently they all come with the Emitter and Receiver ... is it possible to JUST buy the remote itself?) and try and use it with the USB-UIRT that I already have.
© Purchase a MCE Remote with the IR receiver (‘beanbag’Wink, and IR Blaster transmitter and try and use its own native transmitter with GBPVR and the STB (for TV)?
(d) Just leave the MVP remote downstairs, forget the MCE Remote entirely and purchase a 3rd Party Remote (Snapstream's Firefly etc.) and try and use that with the USB-UIRT that I already have.

Final Q: If I decide to buy another PVR-150 and get one with the MCE remote, can I assume it is correct to say that this remote will control GBPVR (via the USB-UIRT), and as it is GBPVR that controls the two receivers, I will be able to control both tuners, even though one PVR-150 is an OEM device? It looks like this "should be" the case as in the same way the USB-UIRT is a USB device, you are sending signals to the GBPVR program (which controls the PVR150) NOT directly to the PVR-150 card, but I want to be sure.

Lots of Q's, Cheers

k.
[EDIT] I did do a search before asking all these Q's, and one of the best posts was this one.
[EDIT] Is the MediaMVP remote equivalent to a MCE remote?
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2006-08-10, 05:03 PM
Quote:Can I use the MVP Remote via USB-UIRT
Yes. (Its early. I've only been awake 5 minutes and cant muster up a long response yet.)
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2006-08-10, 07:00 PM
hmmm,actually i'd recommend, using a remote you already have and 'learn'ing it with the usb-uirt....Smile that way you can use any remote you wish...
[old vcr or sat ones with lots of buttons work best] pretty sure the usb-uirt can 'learn' codes..
the MCE reciever can 'learn' remotes as well, but you'd have to use HIP or girder..[GBPVR supports the MCE remote out of box]
both can 'learn' the STB codes to transmit...Smile
i stuffed a computer into an old vcr and use the original sony remote to run gbpvr with my MCE 'bean-bag' reciever..Big Grin
the MCE has 2 transmitters so can control 2 boxes seperately..

but the cheapest way to go would be to use the usb-uirt with an old remote..

and if ya ask me,the mvp remote is quite good,small and already has all the buttons you need for gbpvr nicely laid out and supported..Smile
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2006-08-11, 02:26 AM (This post was last modified: 2006-08-11, 02:30 AM by jksmurf.)
sub Wrote:Yes. (Its early. I've only been awake 5 minutes and cant muster up a long response yet.)
LOL ... OK, I'll ask again later :-)

pBS Wrote:but the cheapest way to go would be to use the usb-uirt with an old remote..and if ya ask me, the mvp remote is quite good, small and already has all the buttons you need for gbpvr nicely laid out and supported
I have to say it pBS, I think you say some great stuff in your answers, but it's really quite hard to read sometimes ... like a stream of consciousness :o ...

Anyway, if you think it will work, I'm all for trying the MediaMVP remote. I had a crack at it into the wee hours last night (much to the chagrin of my sleeping wife), but the wiki entry for HIP is geared towards the MCE Remote and Blasters provided with the MCE remote, so I just couldn't work it out. I need a bit more time on the HIP site and with the HIP instructions, but I found it all a bit confusing, especially with there being TWO areas where stuff is learned by the remote. Why two???

It makes sense to me that commands go:

Step A: MediaMVP Remote=>USBUIRT Receiver=>GBPVR Program
Step B: GBPVR Program=>USBUIRT Transmitter=>STB

B is for Channel Changes only, otherwise the commands stop at the GBPVR Program. So the only thing HIP needs to know is the keys my MediaMVP remote is transmitting and what they should DO right? How does GBPVR know those codes are for those actions. btw I never got that WindowsForm.Window.8.app4 code, I got something else, like

WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.33c0d9d
WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.33c0d9d
GDI+ Hook Window Class
GDI+ Hook Window Class

Which is similar to GaretMax's observations and here. pBS, I know you made a utility for the focus, I might badger you about that later on. My feeble attempts thus far with HIP always seemed to start the MediaMVP Server Window.

Sub: Step B does channel changes only, although I'd really like the GBPVR .dat file to learn more STB-remote keys like ON/OFF, Audio (for NICAM) GBPVR only "learns" 1-9 and Enter AFAIK. Is this possible?

Cheers

k.

If I can get this to fly, it might be worth a WIKI entry with the USB-UIRT HIP Codes, as an alternative to the MCE Remote i.e. using the lower cost OEM Model 1042 Hauppauge PVR-150 (No Remote).
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2006-08-11, 03:56 AM
Quote:Step B: GBPVR Program=>USBUIRT Transmitter=>STB

B is for Channel Changes only, otherwise the commands stop at the GBPVR Program. So the only thing HIP needs to know is the keys my MediaMVP remote is transmitting and what they should DO right? How does GBPVR know those codes are for those actions. btw I never got that WindowsForm.Window.8.app4 code, I got something else, like

WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.33c0d9d
WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.33c0d9d
GDI+ Hook Window Class
GDI+ Hook Window Class

Which is similar to GaretMax's observations and here. pBS, I know you made a utility for the focus, I might badger you about that later on. My feeble attempts thus far with HIP always seemed to start the MediaMVP Server Window.

Sub: Step B does channel changes only, although I'd really like the GBPVR .dat file to learn more STB-remote keys like ON/OFF, Audio (for NICAM) GBPVR only "learns" 1-9 and Enter AFAIK. Is this possible?
B is entirely separate from A. You seem to have blurred them into one. They might as well be two entirely separate pieces of hardware (an IR Receiver and an IR Blaster).

A is about configuring an IR Receiver. This IR Receiver is used control GB-PVR by learning whatever remote you want to use. Unless you need to do some non standard stuff, then you dont need HIP for this. In the Config app, on the 'DVD & Remote' page, select the 'remote type' as 'USB-UIRT' then learn all the buttons on your remote (0-9, stop, pause, play, skip, colors etc).

B is about using an IR Blaster to control a set to box. GB-PVR learns the IR signals for the remote used to control the set top box. This is configured using the channel changer setting in the capture source settings.

These two functions are entirely separate. IR Receiver vs IR Blaster. It often confuses people because these two functions are handled by one physical USB device.

BTW, did you see post #11 in this thread: http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?t=18669
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2006-08-11, 04:31 AM
sub Wrote:B is entirely separate from A. You seem to have blurred them into one. They might as well be two entirely separate pieces of hardware (an IR Receiver and an IR Blaster).
I'm not really confused about A and B ... I did actually write receiver and transmitter (the latter by which I meant Blaster)...

sub Wrote:In the Config app, on the 'DVD & Remote' page, select the 'remote type' as 'USB-UIRT' then learn all the buttons on your remote (0-9, stop, pause, play, skip, colors etc).
Doh!, I'd forgotten completely about this bit. I didn't want to touch it again after my episode with the USBUIRT quitting altogether when I tried it last. I'll give that a whirl. If controlling (blasting the IR) GBPVR is as easy as just learning those codes ..then awesome. So why would you need HIP:-)

Quote:B is about using an IR Blaster to control a set to box. GB-PVR learns the IR signals for the remote used to control the set top box. This is configured using the channel changer setting in the capture source settings.
OK, this I have had working about a year. The only thing is I'd like to add (wishlist item?) is that it learns a few more buttons than 1~9 and Enter/OK, which I guess is all it needs to change channels.

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2006-08-11, 04:38 AM
Quote:OK, this I have had working about a year. The only thing is I'd like to add (wishlist item?) is that it learns a few more buttons than 1~9 and Enter/OK, which I guess is all it needs to change channels.
Thats precisely it, 1~9 and Enter is the only keys needed to change channels. I didnt want to get into things like trying to remember the state of the set top box (send turn on/off commands - thats just a recipe for disaster), or custom things like A/B that arent common. If people need to these types on non-standard stuff, then they can look at HIP or Girder.
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2006-08-11, 02:34 PM (This post was last modified: 2008-04-27, 02:25 PM by jksmurf.)
Well, I tried it again and this time I got no further than the USBUIRT quitting altogether when I tried it last only this time I have logs. I mapped all the keys, set it to USB-UIRT in the DVD and REMOTE page and .. Initially I get a JIT error, then I just got lockups ... had to exit dis-gracefully..

Happens every time; If I set it back to Hauppauge Remote (Default) all is well again, so it's definitely repeatable (Still have the USB-UIRT as the channel changer). Keys seeemed to map OK (they all said OK).

1. I thought it might be fighting with the Blaster side of things in the Capture section so I tried having NO USB-UIRT as a channel changer and having it as the Remote; same lockups.
2. I had a dekko at the logs and saw a lot of No Key mapping found for <lost of different keys> e.g. UP, DOWN etc. I looked in USB-UIRT-remote.ini which doesn't have UP or DOWN, just NAVUP or NAVDOWN so for kicks I repeated the key and changed it to UP and DOWN rather than NAVUP or NAVOWN, but no joy there.

Stumped. Sad

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2006-08-11, 09:12 PM
It probably relates to this problem: http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...e+USB-UIRT

If you hadnt also been running MVP servers, it'd probably be ok.
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2006-08-12, 07:53 AM (This post was last modified: 2006-08-12, 11:19 AM by jksmurf.)
sub Wrote:It probably relates to this problem: http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...e+USB-UIRT

If you hadnt also been running MVP servers, it'd probably be ok.
You're too good. I gave it a try without the MVP server and you are spot on. Works fine w/o an MVP instance. Look forward to the new release!

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