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Windows Media Center Convert
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2008-03-10, 02:17 PM
I've been using Windows Media Center for a couple months now and have been mostly happy with it. It's very easy for the rest of my family to use which is the biggest reason I went with it in the first place. It also helps that the configuration is fairly simple. I'm looking at possibly converting over to GBPVR. Here's why.

It seems like more and more channels are using DRM over analog cable. At least that's what I think is happening. After using Media Center for about a month, I suddenly lost the ability to play a lot of my recordings. I simply got a message that said the content was restricted. I did some research and found out this was most common over the premium movie channels. I noticed that was where my problems were as well with the additional of one other channel. I accepted my loss and started making a point to check my recordings on a daily basis to make sure they still worked.

About a week ago I lost a bunch more recordings to DRM. This time I knew for sure I had not made any changes to my computer (hardware or software) which would cause the DRM to be lost. In addition, I noticed recordings from another channel started being lost that weren't having problems before. So I'm assuming the use of DRM over analog cable is spreading.

My solution to this was to find something that would record my shows in a non-DVR-MS format. GBPVR is at the top of that list. In addition to not losing my recordings to DRM, I have the added benefit of not having to watch them on my Media Center all the time. Since I usually do all the scheduling, I thought maybe I could use GBPVR just for the recording but still use Windows Media Center for the front-end. The problem I have with that is not having all the meta data from the GBPVR recordings available in Windows Media Center. Plus I don't know what will happen if GBPVR is recording two shows at the same time and Windows Media Center tried to watch Live TV (I only have two tuners).

So now I'm looking at using GBPVR completely to make things integrate easier. The first thing I've run into is finding movies to record. In Windows Media Center, I could go to My TV > Recordings and get a list of all movies that were coming up in the next couple weeks. I usually went through this list alphabetically once a week and chose what I wanted to record. Is there a similar functionality in GBPVR? I've looked but not found anything yet.

My next question is in regards to aspect ratios. I tested a DVD last night that has widescreen menus but full screen content. My setting in GBPVR is to use the 4x3 aspect ratio. However, when I put the DVD in, it was using widescreen. So the menus looked fine but the actual content did not. I was able to hit F7 to cycle through to the full screen option and everything was fine. It looked like the default option was auto. Any idea why that would not have worked? Also, I thought I read that the main green button on my MCE remote should switch aspect ratios but it did not. Instead it just brought up Windows Media Center. Would using HIP fix this?

My last question for now is about Live TV and timeshifting. I like the fact that by not using timeshifting all the time, you can channel surf quite quickly. This was always a big drawback to using a DVR. However, I'm not sure how much I like having to hit the pause button to start using timeshifting. We usually watch recorded shows so this may never come up but what if I'm watching something for a while and then want to rewind a couple minutes before activating timeshifting? As far as I can tell, I don't have that option. So I would have to pause first thing once I settle on a show.

I tried leaving timeshifting on all the time but that made channel surfing incredibly slow and tedious. I am actually surprised at how slow it is. Windows Media Center seems to handle this pretty flawlessly. Is there something going on behind the scenes that is affecting this? When I change channels in GBPVR, there's a small delay before switching. There's some weird stuff on the screen while switching. And there's some heavy stutterings for a few seconds after switching before it all calms down. Is this because it switches recording files when switching channels? Can you give the option to use a single file instead? Or maybe another option would be to automatically enable timeshifting after settling on a channel for a configurable amount of time?
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2008-03-10, 03:14 PM (This post was last modified: 2008-03-10, 03:22 PM by zehd.)
We'll have you converted in no time Big Grin First off welcome, second, there are pros and cons with your switch, but most of us here won't be leaving GB-PVR anytime soon, as it does everything we want, ( or with some work will)

hyphenistic Wrote:It seems like more and more channels are using DRM over analog cable.

I'm not sure if it is actually DRM but that doesn't matter -- the point is, you can't get at the recordings once recorded in dvr-ms...

Quote:My solution to this was to find something that would record my shows in a non-DVR-MS format. GBPVR is at the top of that list. In addition to not losing my recordings to DRM, I have the added benefit of not having to watch them on my Media Center all the time. Since I usually do all the scheduling, I thought maybe I could use GBPVR just for the recording but still use Windows Media Center for the front-end. The problem I have with that is not having all the meta data from the GBPVR recordings available in Windows Media Center. Plus I don't know what will happen if GBPVR is recording two shows at the same time and Windows Media Center tried to watch Live TV (I only have two tuners).

The best thing is to not use MCE if you're using GB-PVR. It's much easier if you go cold turkey and work out the bugs you're are experiencing...

Quote:The first thing I've run into is finding movies to record.

I do not believe this exists just yet, but it's an easy concept. I haven't gotten into writing plugins yet, but it's a straight forward request that just hasn't been picked up by someone. For you this would be a temp 'con'... I know I could write a program to help, but this would not be useable from the couch, and the feature you talk about is definitely a couch type feature, which should be an actual plugin...

Quote:My next question is in regards to aspect ratios. I tested a DVD last night that has widescreen menus but full screen content. My setting in GBPVR is to use the 4x3 aspect ratio. However, when I put the DVD in, it was using widescreen. So the menus looked fine but the actual content did not. I was able to hit F7 to cycle through to the full screen option and everything was fine. It looked like the default option was auto.

I believe that the Auto apsect ratio only kicks it on first video. Since your DVD started out as wide, it stayed as wide... you should map a key on your remote

Quote:Also, I thought I read that the main green button on my MCE remote should switch aspect ratios but it did not. Instead it just brought up Windows Media Center. Would using HIP fix this?

I'm pretty sure that aspect ratio (F7) is not mapped to ANY key on any remote by default. So you need a mapping software. I've been using HIP to map the F7 to the DVD Menu (as I use App Start mapped to the Green Button)

Recently I have seen a new remote software, IR Remote Server. I have to get around to adding the docs on the wiki, but the thread is here...

http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?t=33633

It's my intention to clean up the docs on the wiki, if necessary...

Quote:My last question for now is about Live TV and timeshifting.

This is something you will have to live with for a while as that's what the rest of us do -- you can't have your cake and eat it too.

You can't watch tv with Time shift off and then press rewind, because you aren't time shifting. You can click the record button to start shifting...not just pause

When Timeshifting, channel surfing is sluggish, and sometimes messy. I don't know the technical reason (I haven't bothered getting into it) but I think it's something to do with the Temp MPG creation and stream switching that takes place. Maybe since you are using MPG (which is best anyway IMHO) you won't get as snappy a change as if you used dvr-ms...

One of the 'pros' with GB-PVR is the support and the huge group of developers that can help you add or tweak features you want.

And then there's the main author, known here as 'sub' who is the main reason all of us have fallen in love with GB-PVR and stayed...
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2008-03-10, 03:48 PM
I enabled the web interface which is quite nice. But I did not see a way to search for shows through it. Is that correct?

When Media Center was watching DVR-MS files, I had multiple fast forward and rewind speeds. I did not have that ability with any other format. Is that something specific to the DVR-MS format?
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2008-03-10, 03:59 PM
As for movies...
I'm loading my hard drive. I use the EWA, and search for genre: movie.

But you can do this on screen with the Search Wiz. (Not sure exactly what I'm using now, since I've been using EWA so much, but can report later.)

Basically, there's a couple of search options, and then filtering by genre: movie helps quite a bit.

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2008-03-10, 04:04 PM
Quote:My next question is in regards to aspect ratios. I tested a DVD last night that has widescreen menus but full screen content. My setting in GBPVR is to use the 4x3 aspect ratio. However, when I put the DVD in, it was using widescreen. So the menus looked fine but the actual content did not. I was able to hit F7 to cycle through to the full screen option and everything was fine. It looked like the default option was auto. Any idea why that would not have worked?
I cant be sure this is definitely the cause in your case, but you need to use a decoder other than 'system default' for the auto aspect ratio to work.
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2008-03-10, 05:44 PM
I believe your recordings issue are related to the CGMS-A flag. Windows Media Center seems to be the only software that pays attention to that flag. Any show that you record with GB-PVR in the DVR-MS format will not have any DRM.
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2008-03-10, 11:51 PM
hyphenistic Wrote:I enabled the web interface which is quite nice. But I did not see a way to search for shows through it. Is that correct?
Did you look at the episode search tab... there are a lot of options - genre/channel/time range/etc which you can use to specify your search. Once you've got a search which gives you the results you want, you can save it for future use (you can have more than one saved search) - you can even set EWA up to automatically record the results of a search...
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2008-03-11, 12:54 AM
Quote:The first thing I've run into is finding movies to record. In Windows Media Center, I could go to My TV > Recordings and get a list of all movies that were coming up in the next couple weeks. I usually went through this list alphabetically once a week and chose what I wanted to record. Is there a similar functionality in GBPVR? I've looked but not found anything yet


You might take a look at SearchWiz. I have not used it but it looks like it may be what you want.
http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Plugin/SearchWiz
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2008-03-13, 02:10 PM
mkenyon2 Wrote:As for movies...
I'm loading my hard drive. I use the EWA, and search for genre: movie.

But you can do this on screen with the Search Wiz. (Not sure exactly what I'm using now, since I've been using EWA so much, but can report later.)

Basically, there's a couple of search options, and then filtering by genre: movie helps quite a bit.

BTW, welcome.

Thanks. The EWA worked just fine for this. The only hiccup I saw was that when showing all movies in Tree view, the last few listings are covered up by a black box. It almost looks like a CSS issue or something.

I did find what I think is a bug with the EWA. I scheduled a series to record through it. When I went through PVRX2 to update it, it locks up. I was able to delete the recording and set it up again from PVRX2 and it works just fine.
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2008-03-13, 02:12 PM
sub Wrote:I cant be sure this is definitely the cause in your case, but you need to use a decoder other than 'system default' for the auto aspect ratio to work.

I will give this a try. Thanks.
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