Live TV Freezes OS

[wongojack]

So, I'm watching live TV and at the 1/2 hour the whole computer just freezes up. It happened tonight at just before 10:30 and then again just before 11.

It looks like the problem is event code 14 and a "renewlease" entry.

Any Ideas?

Log Follows (truncated):

6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.599 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/RootSkinDirectory
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.599 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/RootSkinDirectory : .\skin\
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.599 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ActiveSkin
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.599 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ActiveSkin : Blue
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.659 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ShowButtons
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.659 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ShowButtons : TV Guide,Search Guide,Live TV,Net Radio,FM Radio (has settings),Recordings,Music Library,Video Library,Exit
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.669 VERBOSE [2] GuideMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.820 VERBOSE [2] LiveTVMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.830 VERBOSE [2] NetRadioMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:58 PM.950 VERBOSE [2] FMRadioMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/FMRadioStations
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/FMRadioStations : 91 ZM~91000000|Munt FM~88500000|Channel Z~94700000|
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/EPGProcessingMode : NORMAL
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/EPGProcessingMode : NORMAL
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/EnabledPlugins
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.050 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/EnabledPlugins : Comics
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.060 VERBOSE [2] CustomTaskSettings.loadAll()
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] DvdMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] Checking for Lnkx Files in: C:\Program Files\devnz\gbpvr\Lnkx
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] ExitMenuTask created
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/DirectNumberSelect
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/DirectNumberSelect : false
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/DirectNumberSelect : false
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 INFO [2] Initializing InputDeviceManager
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/RemoteType
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/RemoteType : Default (Hauppauge)
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/RemoteType : Default (Hauppauge)
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.230 VERBOSE [2] SourceConfigurationContainer.LoadAll()
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.230 VERBOSE [2] getDatabaseConnection() creating new connection
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.250 VERBOSE [2] creating DirectRecordingSource
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.260 VERBOSE [2] Loading DirectRecordingSource Configuration : 1
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.280 VERBOSE [2] About to connect to remote recording service
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.280 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/RecordingServiceLocation
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.280 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/RecordingServiceLocation : tcp://localhost:7968/RecordingRemote
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.310 ERROR [2] Unable to find node: /settings/SpecialElements/SpecialElement[@name="MenuType"]
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] Loading main menu
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: TV Guide
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Search Guide
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Recordings
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Live TV
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Video Library
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Music Library
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: DVD
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: FM Radio
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Net Radio
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: Exit
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.320 VERBOSE [2] - Adding task: DVD Ripper
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.430 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ExitOnEsc
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.430 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ExitOnEsc : false
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.430 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/DirectNumberSelect : false
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.430 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/DirectNumberSelect : false
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.470 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/EPGProcessingMode : NORMAL
6/27/2005 10:51:59 PM.470 VERBOSE [2] getValue cached value: /settings/EPGProcessingMode : NORMAL
6/27/2005 10:52:01 PM.694 VERBOSE [2] MDB updated, forcing refresh of next recording panel
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.669 VERBOSE [2] Initializing TV Guide skin settings
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.679 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ShowChannelIcons
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.679 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ShowChannelIcons : true
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.689 VERBOSE [2] flushDatabaseConnections()
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.719 VERBOSE [2] RecordingFactory.loadSchedule()
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.719 VERBOSE [2] getDatabaseConnection() creating new connection
6/27/2005 10:52:05 PM.729 VERBOSE [2] Purging any stale logically deleted recordings
6/27/2005 10:52:06 PM.020 VERBOSE [2] HideMouse ref=-1
6/27/2005 10:52:06 PM.701 VERBOSE [2] Loading recordig list for next recording panel
6/27/2005 10:52:06 PM.701 VERBOSE [2] RecordingFactory.loadSchedule()
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.130 VERBOSE [2] loading /settings/SpecialElements/SpecialElement[@name="ListView"]
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.130 VERBOSE [2] loading /settings/SpecialElements/SpecialElement[@name="DetailsView"]
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.220 VERBOSE [2] loading /settings/SpecialElements/SpecialElement[@name="ItemList"]
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.230 VERBOSE [2] RecordingFactory.loadSchedule()
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.240 VERBOSE [2] loading /settings/SpecialElements/SpecialElement[@name="Buttons"]
6/27/2005 10:52:20 PM.310 VERBOSE [2] RecordingFactory.loadSchedule()
6/27/2005 10:52:22 PM.934 VERBOSE [2] RecordingFactory.loadSchedule()
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.438 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/LivePreviewMode
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.438 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/LivePreviewMode : true
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.448 INFO [2] LiveTVVideoPlayer.initialize()
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.448 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/AutoReturnToLivePreview
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.448 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/AutoReturnToLivePreview : true
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/SkipInsteadOfFFRW
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/SkipInsteadOfFFRW : true
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/SkipInsteadOfFFRWSeconds
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/SkipInsteadOfFFRWSeconds : 10
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/MinimalVideoOSD
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/MinimalVideoOSD : false
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ChannelChangeWithoutEnterKey
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ChannelChangeWithoutEnterKey : true
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/VideoPopupTask
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.478 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/VideoPopupTask : TV Guide
6/27/2005 10:53:21 PM.619 VERBOSE [2] RecordLiveTV: 18
6/27/2005 10:53:22 PM.920 VERBOSE [2] About to play LiveTV File: C:\One Hour Photo_1_20050627_22300100.mpg Channel: 29 FX
6/27/2005 10:53:22 PM.920 VERBOSE [2] Before LiveTV Play
6/27/2005 10:53:24 PM.963 VERBOSE [2] After LiveTV Play
6/27/2005 10:53:24 PM.963 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/DefaultSkipSecondsForward
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/DefaultSkipSecondsForward : 30
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/DefaultSkipSecondsBack
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/DefaultSkipSecondsBack : 30
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue() loading new key/value into cache: /settings/ManualSkipTimebase
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.134 VERBOSE [2] getValue: /settings/ManualSkipTimebase : Minutes
6/27/2005 10:53:25 PM.284 VERBOSE [2] Received event code: 14
6/27/2005 10:53:55 PM.858 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:54:25 PM.911 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:54:54 PM.362 VERBOSE [2] ShowMouse ref=0
6/27/2005 10:54:55 PM.954 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:55:06 PM.179 VERBOSE [2] HideMouse ref=-1
6/27/2005 10:55:26 PM.208 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:55:56 PM.251 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:56:26 PM.294 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:56:56 PM.397 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:57:13 PM.983 VERBOSE [2] ShowMouse ref=0
6/27/2005 10:57:20 PM.442 VERBOSE [2] HideMouse ref=-1
6/27/2005 10:57:20 PM.502 VERBOSE [2] ShowMouse ref=0
6/27/2005 10:57:26 PM.451 VERBOSE [2] HideMouse ref=-1
6/27/2005 10:57:26 PM.451 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:57:48 PM.703 VERBOSE [2] ShowMouse ref=0
6/27/2005 10:57:56 PM.694 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:58:05 PM.717 VERBOSE [2] HideMouse ref=-1
6/27/2005 10:58:26 PM.747 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1
6/27/2005 10:58:56 PM.821 VERBOSE [2] RenewLease: 1

[sub]

Are you using a PVR350, with TV out?

[wongojack]

Yes I am using the 350 with TV out

Other Key Specs

Intel 1Ghz CPU
640 Ram
160 GB HD
SII0680 Ultra ATA adapter card

[betlit]

there are some issues with the 350 and the tv out.

a lot of people (inlcuding myself) had spontaneous lock ups during live tv (or when exiting, etc.)
most of them own a via-chipset board (although, my board has an intel chipset)

i was able to bring the lockups to a minimum by using the newest driver provided by shspvr (ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-350/inf/)

btw: since i have a second tv tuner (pvr 150), 0 (in words: zero) lock ups occured.

betlit

[wongojack]

I will try updating the drivers as you suggested. Looks like the newest one on that site is from Nov 2004.

When I installed, I updated the drivers using the instructions on the Hauppage website and it gave me a driver version different than the one it said would be there. Also, When I looked in device mngr the date on the new driver was older than the one that came with the card. I rolled back to the drivers that came with my card. Don't know the current version here at work.

I do have a VIA chipset - Ugh

The fact that it happened exactly on the 1/2 hour makes me think that it could have something to do with the guide updating.

[sub]

Sorry to be the bearer, but yes there is some issues like this for some PVR350 users. Much of this devices problems seem to relate to the drivers.

Unfortunately, I've long since stopping looking at this issue. It was becoming a huge waste of my time, for things mostly out of my control.

[wongojack]

btw: since i have a second tv tuner (pvr 150), 0 (in words: zero) lock ups occured.

Can I have a pvr150 and a pvr350 and have both cards use the TV out on the 350? Is this the setup you have that results in no lockups?

[betlit]

about the driver stuff: i can't tell something about that... i updated the drivers when i had to reinstall windows. meaning i directly installed the drivers from the link i gave you.
the only 'official' stuff from hauppauge i installed on my tv compy is the irremote-stuff.

Can I have a pvr150 and a pvr350 and have both cards use the TV out on the 350? Is this the setup you have that results in no lockups?

yes. i can watch live tv with the 150 and see it on the tv out of the 350 (of course it also works while the 350 is recording another show). no lock ups so far

the 150 is capture device #1 (it's in the 1st pci slot), the 350 capture device #2 (in the 3d or 4th pci slot).

maybe i do not have lock ups anymore just because gbpvr seems to choose the cards 'wisely':
for live tv, pvr 150 is allways used (if it is not recording something).
for recording, the pvr 350 is allways used.

the 150 is only used for recording, when i record two shows at a time...
and to force live tv using the 350, i have to record two shows (so both cards are busy), cancel the one which is recording using the 350 and start live tv.

meaning: the 350 is allmost never used for live-tv ... and since the lockups only occured during live tv on the 350 which now is unlikely to happen --> no more lock ups.
of course, this is just a speculation. but... hey... i do not really care anymore why it works now... it works. thats important

some people reported that they can't get the 45 button remote which coms with the 150 (non MCE version) to work... but in my case, i did not even had to do something special - the new remote on the 150 works without problems.

[thevman]

Sub, I realize this is completely irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my experience with GB-PVR and a PVR-350 in any case.

I too experienced this exact same problem on a P3 1ghz box with 512 megs of ram. It'd freeze on channel change, etc. I tried as many tweaks as I could find on your forum here with no luck, and chalked it up to the dreaded PVR-350 issue.

Determined, I decided to switch to a new box that I had just ordered for a completely different purpose just to test it. It was an Athlon 64 3000+ with 1 gig of ram. Well, no lock ups whatsoever but on playback I got a funky error that dropped me back to the menu all the time (irrelevant because it wasn't going to be the permanent machine anyway).

Lastly, I had a junky emachine 1 ghz celeron with 256 megs of ram. I put the same PVR-350 card in, installed the same drivers I tried on the first two boxes, and now it has been running without incident on a crappy, proprietary, non-scaleable box. It helps that the 350 does the heavy lifting for the PC because otherwise I don't think it'd make it.

All of this leads me to believe that maybe it has something to do with the chip set of the box, the bios, or maybe even the CPU and how it talks to the PVR-350.

Go figure. I love the application and will have to do my best to not overwork this little machine.

Thanks for your hard work.

V

[wongojack]

Well, adding a PVR-150 is an interesting idea. It wouldn't be that expensive and would add the coolness of a 2nd tuner.

Hmm . . .

I think I'm going to think about that. I also have some other machines that I could assemble and try the whole configuration.

I'll post if I find anything interesting.

I'm about to install the VIA 4-in-1 drivers from the VIA website. Anyone know if that will help?