Will UncleJohnsBand WebAdmin Searches work in v5 the same as in v4?

[jksmurf]

Hi Sub,

how would you insert an advanced query checking two conditions?

Here's a typical example from my use cases:

  <Search id="Ben Stiller">
    <SearchVersion>4.3</SearchVersion>
    <SearchName autoShowSearch="False" autoRecordSearch="True" caseSensitiveSearch="False">Ben Stiller</SearchName>
    <SearchTitle>False</SearchTitle>
    <SearchSubTitle>False</SearchSubTitle>
    <SearchDescription>False</SearchDescription>
    <SearchCastCrew>True</SearchCastCrew>
    <MatchTitle>False</MatchTitle>
    <MatchSubTitle>False</MatchSubTitle>
    <MatchDescription>False</MatchDescription>
    <StartTitle>False</StartTitle>
    <StartSubTitle>False</StartSubTitle>
    <StartDescription>False</StartDescription>
    <SearchPhrase>Ben Stiller</SearchPhrase>
    <SearchGenre>
      <Genre>Movie</Genre>
    </SearchGenre>
    <SearchLengthMin>
    </SearchLengthMin>
    <SearchLengthMax>
    </SearchLengthMax>
    <TreeviewSearchOrder>
    </TreeviewSearchOrder>
    <SearchChannels />
    <SearchStartDate>
    </SearchStartDate>
    <SearchStartTime>
    </SearchStartTime>
    <SearchEndDate>
    </SearchEndDate>
    <SearchEndTime>
    </SearchEndTime>
    <SearchDays>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
      <Day>True</Day>
    </SearchDays>
  </Search>

Jeez I really hope advanced search doesn’t mean writing out something like that ... eek ?

[mvallevand]

That would be something like

cast_member like '%ben stiller%' and genres like '%movie%'

Martin

[daneo]

Thanks Martin - I can see the XML file with the advanced search elements - is there some type of daily job to auto-search in v5? I can see building the XML will not be that difficult.

In the recurring scenario, do the start/end times have any meaning? Is there any way to prioritize one recurring search over another?

Thanks,
Dane

<recurring>
<oid>63</oid>
<name>All Channels</name>
<matchrules>
<Rules>
<ChannelOID>0</ChannelOID>
<ChannelName>All Channels</ChannelName>
<StartTime>2020-03-18T12:34:06.3946669+01:00</StartTime>
<EndTime>2020-03-18T12:34:06.3946681+01:00</EndTime>
<PrePadding>1</PrePadding>
<PostPadding>2</PostPadding>
<Quality>0</Quality>
<Keep>0</Keep>
<RecordingDirectoryID>[Default]</RecordingDirectoryID>
<AdvancedRules>(cast_member like '%Aniston%' or crew like '%Aniston%')</AdvancedRules>
</Rules>
</matchrules>
</recurring>

[BrettB]

Thanks Martin - I can see the XML file with the advanced search elements - is there some type of daily job to auto-search in v5?  I can see building the XML will not be that difficult.

In the recurring scenario, do the start/end times have any meaning?  Is there any way to prioritize one recurring search over another?

You create a advanced recurring recording. So the update EPG process with run it against the new EPG each time it runs and schedule and matches to be recorded. And the recurring recordings are already prioritized (which you can adjust by moving them up or down in priority).

[sub]

Thanks Martin - I can see the XML file with the advanced search elements - is there some type of daily job to auto-search in v5?  I can see building the XML will not be that difficult.

A little more detail on Martin and Brett's responses...

Basically you head to the Scheduler page in the web app, hit the '+' to create a new recording, set the recording type to 'advanced', then type the rules in, like the example provided:

Code:

cast_member like '%ben stiller%' and genres like '%movie%'

There is also a recording type 'keyword', where you can select to record shows based on a keyword, and you can select from title / description / cast&crew.

Any matching recordings will automatically be scheduled each night when the EPG update happens.

[jksmurf]

Basically you head to the Scheduler page in the web app, hit the '+' to create a new recording, set the recording type to 'advanced', then type the rules in, like the example provided:

Code:

cast_member like '%ben stiller%' and genres like '%movie%'

There is also a recording type 'keyword', where you can select to record shows based on a keyword, and you can select from title / description / cast&crew.

Hi sub,

No disrespect intended and while I could probably follow that syntax above, for the average user such as myself, isn't having to do that a bit of backward step compared to the simple dialogue boxes for text to search, time ranges to select and auto-record and tick boxes for channels, plus the ability to easily save each set of auto-records etc, all features beautifully built-in to UJB's original web-admin, a little bit of a backward step?

k.

[sub]

Basically you head to the Scheduler page in the web app, hit the '+' to create a new recording, set the recording type to 'advanced', then type the rules in, like the example provided:

Code:

cast_member like '%ben stiller%' and genres like '%movie%'

There is also a recording type 'keyword', where you can select to record shows based on a keyword, and you can select from title / description / cast&crew.

Hi sub,

No disrespect intended and while I could probably follow that syntax above, for the average user such as myself, isn't having to do that a bit of backward step compared to the simple dialogue boxes for text to search, time ranges to select and auto-record and tick boxes for channels, plus the ability to easily save each set of auto-records etc, all features beautifully built-in to UJB's original web-admin, a little bit of a backward step?

k.

I already addressed that on the last page. In a future release I'll look into adding some sort of symbol (like a pencil or "...") at the side of that advanced rule text, which will pop up a window which allows you to select stuff in the UI, and it'll create the rule for you. (pretty much like the UI you've used in web-admin).

Honestly, it hasn't been a high priority for me, because I don't think very many people used this.

[mvallevand]

I would not consider anyone who used this before an average user. Also I posted that if you use Searchlite in V4 it could convert from from NEWA rules to NextPVR rules.

Martin

[jksmurf]

Thanks both; Martin - yes you did and conversion is noted, setting up new items is being looked at by sub.
Fair enough.

k.

[daneo]

Thanks Martin - I can see the XML file with the advanced search elements - is there some type of daily job to auto-search in v5?  I can see building the XML will not be that difficult.

A little more detail on Martin and Brett's responses...

Basically you head to the Scheduler page in the web app, hit the '+' to create a new recording, set the recording type to 'advanced', then type the rules in, like the example provided:

Code:

cast_member like '%ben stiller%' and genres like '%movie%'

There is also a recording type 'keyword', where you can select to record shows based on a keyword, and you can select from title / description / cast&crew.

Any matching recordings will automatically be scheduled each night when the EPG update happens.

Perfect thanks! This will be easy to implement!

Last question - I still have troubles on v4 where the pre- and post-padding is not being honoured all the time - and I would like to know if this logic has been improved / sharpened in v5 going forward?  I still have difficulties with films which have the first 4-5 minutes cut off due to padding issues where another recording takes over the tuner - hence my running a consequent 30 minute pre-post padding which gets cut out later with VideoRedo (plug for Dan and team - this is a great tool).