Problem getting EPC (Sched Dir.)
(2020-04-13, 05:40 PM)Rich A Wrote: But I have a deep routed dislike for web browser based programs. Sorry for that .. I understand the reasons for the change. NextPVR.exe is in the Program Files\NextPVR\client folder ... it has to run on the same machine as NextPVR Server. A new "10 foot" client is under construction (and can't get here too soon ... nudge). In the meantime Kodi and V5 are smooth and look good. .
Sorry to say I've had to remove NextPVR version 5 from my new HTPC build. Thanks to help here I was able to learn a lot about how this new version works and finally get it working somewhat. But after just a couple days of running .. I'm having too many problems with stability and program operation.
In short the biggest issue at the moment is with playing recorded shows or live viewing. It's so bad I can not actually use the program. Also the whole vers 5 just is not reliable any more. Sometimes I can not get it to open when trying to click on the try icon to start it. I have to shut down NextPVR and restart it. Sometimes it just locks up entirely and I have kill the process or app with task manager. It seems to loose focus too. CPU use when watching a recorded show is off the charts (yes I know that can be normal) but on my old PC average use was never more than 25 to 30 percent. Here just watching a show pegs the CPU constantly and memory use is very high. Note .. doing live streaming with the same browser and system with Netflix or Hulu shows CPU MAX use of 2 to 5 percent ... Memory very low. Playback is reliable and perfect .. Same for both browsers .. MS edge or Firefox. VERY low cpu use for everything. But using NextPVR to just watch a recorded show results with instability and constant crashes. No matter which browser I'm using. The recording engine works fine and all recordings over the past 48 hours are perfect. Note . although I can NOT reliably play back any of those recorded shows with NextPVR, i can watch them perfectly with several 3rd party media players, like window media player or VLC. With the 3rd party players, cpu use is down to 2 to 5 percent max and I can fast forward or reverse or jog to any point instantly at will with no problem. However with NextPVR just trying to jump ahead or back a minute will usually cause the Nextpvr program to lock up or crash. For some reason it seems that my install of NextPVR vs 5 has a problem with my browsers (any of them). The problems are so diverse and frequent I think it's best for me to just go back to the old HTPC with version 4 installed on the Win 7 OS. I doubt this new win 10 OS is the problem. I have 2 other Win 10 PCs here that are all working perfectly both since the first day 10 was released. Note that prior to this install of NPVR vers. 5 this new PC and OS has been fully tested and run for a few weeks .. no issues in any multi-media or other areas. Rock stable and reliable. However I was having a LOT of problems just trying to get version 5 of NextPVR to work reliably. Not giving up .. but think it's best to give it another fresh start .. BTW, I have already tried starting from scratch with a new OS and NextPvR install twice now as well as multiple new installs of the NPVR program itself. No Joy. I have some suspicions about using the default codecs. Does anyone have info on how to get an LAV codec pack installed for use with this Windows 10 64-bit OS and NextPVR version 5 ? Oh and I have to note that the stand alone executable version of vs 5 also has the same playback problems. I am also thinking about doing a temporary install of the old version 4 on a new fresh win 10 os just to see if that will work better. So thanks everyone .. hang in there with me while I do some more testing. I really think my problems are mainly based on things involving browser based applications and then only when using NextPVR ..
- Rich A
2020-04-15, 07:32 PM
What you've described here largely sounds like it's related to the requirement to transcode for playback in the web app.
Have you tried running NextPVR.exe (included with the install) and doing your playback and watching there? It gives you the same interface as you had in v4, and doesn't require transcoding. You can install LAV by running https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters...taller.exe. These decoders can be selected in the nextpvr.exe just the same way as v4. ie, right click, Settings->Decoders. For those intending to use the web browser as a main client for viewing, options like 'recording auto transcode' on the Settings->Transcode screen helps. This will cause a post-recording conversion to an natively streamable format, making playback of recordings in the web app much nicer (assuming it has enough time to convert the recording before you try to watch it).
2020-04-15, 11:42 PM
(2020-04-15, 07:32 PM)sub Wrote: What you've described here largely sounds like it's related to the requirement to transcode for playback in the web app. Thanks .. Yes have used the NextPVR.exe. That also has the same problems. But as you know the "settings" page in version 5 is minimal in features etc. I have not yet tried adjusting codecs etc. there. Thank for the tip about the LAV codec install. I'll give that a try. Meanwhile a question. I had problems during first few installs which we "thought" might have been caused by having another computer on my home LAN running an NPVR version 4 server etc on it. I resorted to disconnecting that pc from the LAN and shutting it down. That DID make some minor differences during install and running but did not correct any of the playback problems . I'm guessing it was only a problem when both versions were doing something with the tuners (like live tv or recording) and I now realize that. But other areas like with live viewing or even playing back already recorded shows always persisted. Should I be having any kind of interaction between two separate NextPVR systems? I "think" one problem was the HDHR Prime tuners were sometimes all in play and being used for recording on the old PC while I was trying to use that same HDHR tuner set on the new PC. Seems logical to me. Do you agree? Some of the early tries to install were done during TV Prime time viewing and I might have 3 tuners in use recording three to 4 hours. But I don't think that would have affected the playback problems? I would like to know that I COULD run the two PCs at the same time (sharing one 3-tuner Prime cable card device) as long there was an available tuner? I think many of my former tests happened when the other PC was using all available tuners. Meanwhile the old HTPC is back on line and it's soon to start a Prime time bunch of recordings for the evening. So I'll have to wait to do the next new install and testing for a few more hours. I'll post back here with results later. Many thanks again. I'm hoping that the addition of the LAV decoders and some tweaks in the system get this running will make a difference.
- Rich A
2020-04-15, 11:45 PM
(2020-04-15, 11:42 PM)Rich A Wrote: Thanks .. Yes have used the NextPVR.exe. That also has the same problems. But as you know the "settings" page in version 5 is minimal in features etc. I have not yet tried adjusting codecs etc. there. Thank for the tip about the LAV codec install. I'll give that a try. Meanwhile a question.It's not that it's minimal - the settings have been split out to be in more relevant places. The bulk of NextPVR settings are done in the web app. This like recording directories etc. These are settings used by all NextPVR installs, on all platforms. The only settings left in nextpvr.exe's settings screen are those related to it as a client. ie, choice of decoders etc. These settings are specific to the nextpvr.exe client, and only used by itself (and only on windows). It's in there you'd select the LAV decoders etc. (which only used when you're in nextpvr.exe, and aren't used in the web app) The bulk of the problems you described were around CPU usage etc, which is what you get with transcoding. You'd need to be more specific about the problems you're seeing in nextpvr.exe (which doesn't use transcoded streams)
2020-04-15, 11:50 PM
(2020-04-15, 11:42 PM)Rich A Wrote: I would like to know that I COULD run the two PCs at the same time (sharing one 3-tuner Prime cable card device) as long there was an available tuner? I think many of my former tests happened when the other PC was using all available tuners.The only way you can do that, is if the two systems are setup to use different tuners. For example, you might have only setup tuner #1 on NextPVR v4, and tuner #2 and # 3 or NextPVR v5. This way they're not trying to use the same tuners. Personally I'd just clearly detail clearly what problems you're having with v5, and try to get them fixed, so you can uninstall v4, or leave it turned off, so you don't have to worry about problems like this. (2020-04-15, 11:50 PM)sub Wrote:(2020-04-15, 11:42 PM)Rich A Wrote: I would like to know that I COULD run the two PCs at the same time (sharing one 3-tuner Prime cable card device) as long there was an available tuner? I think many of my former tests happened when the other PC was using all available tuners.The only way you can do that, is if the two systems are setup to use different tuners. Got it . Thanks for the detailed explanation. Yes, the goal is to eventually use the one HTPC and put the old PC out to pasture. If it were just me, I'd shut down the old system .. but I have a wife factor in play here. <grin> Due to the on-going virus thing here in the US we have been virtually isolated at home about a month now. I have plenty of cool toys to keep me entertained but my better half is sort of stuck with just that "great one eyed monster" I call the TV. I gotta keep her happy. I am of course hoping to end up with a good running web app version. I will be working some more with the stand alone exe version of 5 just to see if the decoder change there will help. More testing later .. thanks again. Stay safe over there on the other side of the world. Things here virus-wise are quite bad in most parts of the US. Cabin fever is the new norm now. I'm on a mountain top in New England (CT) in the middle of a forest .. already pretty much isolated by choice.
- Rich A
2020-04-16, 01:09 AM
It's not clear to me what the issue is. You don't have need to use the web app any more than then you used the setup screens in v4 and they were less intuitive then the web app. I use the web app for live TV more than I expected after hw transcoding was added but for recordings I use the web app as much as I use Netflix web which is never.
Martin
2020-04-16, 09:48 AM
(2020-04-16, 12:55 AM)Rich A Wrote: I am of course hoping to end up with a good running web app version. I will be working some more with the stand alone exe version of 5 just to see if the decoder change there will help. The NextPVR Web App is not really intended to be used as a ten foot app (i.e. from the sofa). NextPVR.exe can only be used on the same machine as NextPVR Server (and only under Windows). Currently, Kodi is the got-to solution for a ten-foot app for V5 (if NextPVR.exe can't be used) ... The "built-in" NextPVR add-on for Kodi is simple and elegant ... The knewc add-on, which you will need to install into Kodi, gives an interface that looks like NextPVR.exe ... https://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php?tid=50833 . |
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