Sub, FF, Pause/Play not useable...

[ShiningDragon]

You see, impatience is a bad guy ...

The problem with failed regsvr32 is an easy one: you have a typo. the monogram aac decoder is "mmaacd.ax" and not "mmaace.ax", that's all.

The LAV "Splitter" isn't a decoder and thus not selectable as decoder. This is ok and alright and shouldn't worry you at this point. The task of the splitter is to split up any container like .mkv, .avi, .wtv (just those you have selected). It doesn't decode anything. For this we are using ffdshow or monogram aac decoder.

Please be patient, so i can write a small installation guide.

Btw., under Win 7 it is NOT enough to install the splitter or decoder. You have to tweak the merit of directshow filters with a tool like Win7DSFilterTweak too, since windows 7 introduced (again) a new system called "windows media foundation" whose codecs will be choosed everytime as primary ones by directshow und normal circumstances.

[gEd]

Is your HD recordings H.264? What decoder are you using for them? I use Cyberlink PDVD10 both for MPEG2 and H.264 and have rarely problems with skipping, but occasional I have to do an extra short skip (forward or backwards).

Back on 2.3.4, with UK H.264 content, I was finding the MS decoder in Win7 very very slow at times when skipping and the PDVD11? codec was fast to skip but suffered image corruption.
Now I am on 2.3.6, I can't reliably reproduce any skipping problem but I do find I have to do a short skip to give it a kick up the arse occasionally. I find that the latest PDVD11 from the SAF 6 codec pack skips fast without any corruption.

Btw., under Win 7 it is NOT enough to install the splitter or decoder. You have to tweak the merit of directshow filters with a tool like Win7DSFilterTweak too,
Do you mean with respect to playing back mkv,avi,adivx content as I certainly haven't had to do this on my pc and have not heard (on the forum) of this being a requirement to get good playback.
I look forward to seeing the guide, hopefully all will be explained...!

[Grampz]

Please be patient, so i can write a small installation guide.

Patience? Me? I will try! Thanx!

Greg

[ShiningDragon]

Do you mean with respect to playing back mkv,avi,adivx content as I certainly haven't had to do this on my pc and have not heard (on the forum) of this being a requirement to get good playback.

If you're using SAF6, then SAF does this job for you. The main "problem" is the introducion of media foundation codecs. Within Win 7 and Win 8 they have all the time the highest priority, especially within applications using the "default system decoders". DirectShow Filters are choosed only in second instance, OR if you manipulate Win 7 / Win 8 to use DirectShow Filters as primary ones.
It's possible to configure ffdshow too to popup for EVERY mediaplayback, but this is a very bad behaviour ... everytime you're trying to use wmp, or starting a game ... everytime popping up an ffdhow menu asking you to "playback onetime with ffdshow, everytime, onetime not playback with ffdshow or never playback"
This isn't userfriendly and to avoid this, i am writing the guide. I'll started in my native language (german) and will translate it later. So it can happen, that i need some screenshots from you.

I look forward to seeing the guide, hopefully all will be explained...!

I'll try to, but don't expect to much. My primary task is a clean and working installation of LAV Filter, ffdshow and perhaps MONOGRAM AAC decoder.

[jcjefferies]

I would certainly agree with those who suggest trying different decoders as it certainly cured several problems on my setup. On my computers changing from Cyberlink to ffdshow decoders cured many problems associated with “skipping”.

[Grampz]

Previous settings I had working the other day did not work this morning when showing the wife. Go figure!!

You have to tweak the merit of directshow filters with a tool like Win7DSFilterTweak too,

Installed SAF 6.06. I changed both video decoders back to the Microsoft ones after running the above tool and setting most of the preferred decoders to LAV. Am also using the MONOGRAM mpeg1 audio decoder and am receiving Dolby Digital output. Pause/resume on Live TV works well. About a 10 second delay with jumping around in recordings.

Am still trying to be patient, but making progress!

Greg

[gEd]

I found the MS decoders to be the slowest at skipping with HD content. 10 secs is not good.

[Grampz]

But by using the Win7DSFilterTweak tool allow the MS decoder option to load other than the MS default? Which I have now set to LAV within the tool.. Have tinkered with LAV settings, but do not want to get in to deep before ShingDragon's guide is available...

[Grampz]

A few questions...

How is the guide coming along?

Regarding the MS Tweak Tool, recommended tweaks?

Does npvr only use 32 bit drivers?

Where in and which log will show me which decoders are used for live tv and .ts playback?

Greg

[ShiningDragon]

How is the guide coming along?

Work in progress, i'll update it step by step in the general subforum. Currently I am busy with the impending move to the new apartment at the beginning of march in another city with my family.

Regarding the MS Tweak Tool, recommended tweaks?

Just don't disabled Media Foundation stuff. It's not recommandable to disable this functions. It's better to tweak the decoders for the codecs. For example: ffdshow for MPEG2 and h264, while using Microsoft Decoder for VC1 and MONOGRAM for AAC. The AAC one is another tricky one: most apps are not able to recognize a difference between AAC and HE-AAC, so that you have to experiment a little with a usable decoder.

Does npvr only use 32 bit drivers?

I think you're talking about decoders. Yes, it just uses 32 bit decoders, because NPVR is a 32 bit application.

Where in and which log will show me which decoders are used for live tv and .ts playback?

NPVR.log

Code:

2012-02-01 14:02:39.549    [DEBUG][1]    StartLiveTV@5
2012-02-01 14:02:40.375    [DEBUG][1]    RenderDemux()
2012-02-01 14:02:40.376    [DEBUG][1]    Adding system HE-AAC decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.376    [ERROR][1]    Unable to find named decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.376    [DEBUG][1]    Adding system AC3 decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.376    [DEBUG][1]    about to load decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.388    [DEBUG][1]    added decoder to graph
2012-02-01 14:02:40.388    [DEBUG][1]    adding audio renderer: Default DirectSound Device
2012-02-01 14:02:40.410    [DEBUG][1]    Adding system MPEG1 Layer2 decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.410    [DEBUG][1]    about to load decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.416    [DEBUG][1]    added decoder to graph
2012-02-01 14:02:40.416    [DEBUG][1]    adding audio renderer: Default DirectSound Device
2012-02-01 14:02:40.431    [DEBUG][1]    Adding system MPEG2 decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.431    [DEBUG][1]    Adding EVR renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:40.502    [DEBUG][1]    about to load decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:40.538    [DEBUG][1]    added decoder to graph
2012-02-01 14:02:40.590    [ERROR][1]    ConnectPins: Failed to find output pin named ~CC
2012-02-01 14:02:40.590    [ERROR][1]    ConnectPins: Failed to find output pin named ~CC Out
2012-02-01 14:02:40.608    [DEBUG][1]    Static Reference clock set to: MPEG1 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:41.110    [DEBUG][1]    setting 'auto' aspect ratio
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]    Playback graph running...
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]    Graph filter list:
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - NPVR CC Dump
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - EVR Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - NPVR PES Collector (DVBSubs)
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - MPEG1 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - AC3 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - Line 21 Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - ffdshow Audio Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - MPEG-2 Demultiplexer
2012-02-01 14:02:41.559    [DEBUG][1]     - NPVR TS Reader
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    StartLiveTV@6
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    StartLiveTV@6
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    StartLiveTV@7
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    TV Listings: Got event PLAYING_LIVETV 3 - NDR
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    StartLiveTV@done
2012-02-01 14:02:42.561    [DEBUG][1]    Updating OSD.
2012-02-01 14:02:42.680    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x000d
2012-02-01 14:02:42.681    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x000e
2012-02-01 14:02:42.681    [DEBUG][1]    audio renderer now MPEG1
2012-02-01 14:02:42.681    [DEBUG][1]    Dynamic reference clock set to: MPEG1 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:42.681    [DEBUG][1]    Reference clock was already se correctly. No change required.
2012-02-01 14:02:42.681    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8102
2012-02-01 14:02:42.682    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8104
2012-02-01 14:02:42.682    [DEBUG][1]    Aspect ratio now: 4x3
2012-02-01 14:02:42.682    [DEBUG][1]    Resolution is now: 720x576
2012-02-01 14:02:42.712    [DEBUG][1]    Source Aspect Ratio: 4x3
2012-02-01 14:02:42.719    [DEBUG][1]    Setting display rect: 0.083441,0.000000,0.916559,1.000000
2012-02-01 14:02:42.719    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8101
2012-02-01 14:02:42.719    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8104
2012-02-01 14:02:42.720    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x0000
2012-02-01 14:02:42.720    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x0000
2012-02-01 14:02:42.720    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x0000
2012-02-01 14:02:43.698    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8104
2012-02-01 14:02:44.768    [DEBUG][1]    GetEventCode() returned: 0x8104
2012-02-01 14:02:45.348    [DEBUG][1]    OnKeyDown() called: Escape
2012-02-01 14:02:45.358    [DEBUG][1]    UiStatic.Dispose()
2012-02-01 14:02:45.536    [DEBUG][1]    Stopping graph@0.1
2012-02-01 14:02:46.784    [DEBUG][1]    Stopping graph@1
2012-02-01 14:02:46.803    [DEBUG][1]    Stopping graph@2
2012-02-01 14:02:46.803    [DEBUG][1]    Stopping graph@2.1
2012-02-01 14:02:46.804    [DEBUG][1]    Stopping graph@3
2012-02-01 14:02:46.810    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  NPVR CC Dump
2012-02-01 14:02:46.811    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  EVR Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:46.813    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  NPVR PES Collector (DVBSubs)
2012-02-01 14:02:46.813    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  MPEG1 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:46.813    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  AC3 Audio Renderer
2012-02-01 14:02:46.814    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  Line 21 Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:46.814    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:46.814    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  ffdshow Audio Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:46.815    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder
2012-02-01 14:02:46.837    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  MPEG-2 Demultiplexer
2012-02-01 14:02:46.837    [DEBUG][1]    Removing filter  NPVR TS Reader
2012-02-01 14:02:46.842    [DEBUG][1]    TV Listings: Got event PLAYBACK_STOPPED
2012-02-01 14:02:46.842    [DEBUG][1]    UiStatic.Dispose()
2012-02-01 14:02:46.847    [DEBUG][1]    OnKeyDown() done. Took 1499,08569335938 ms
2012-02-01 14:02:48.604    [DEBUG][1]    storing Position (1):1091,567
2012-02-01 14:02:48.604    [DEBUG][1]    storing Size (1):789,521

As you can see, it is not calling the used decoders by name. If you want to determine the used codecs, you can watch for example the icons within the systray of ffdshow, where all currently used decoders will be showed. Or you determine the used codecs with graphedit (it's using the default decoders while rendering a videofile). But this one is a tricky one: If you have, for example, ffdshow configured to only popup for NPVR (whitelisting) then it won't be used for graphedit.