Intermittent motion blur

[imagn]

I just read this thread and now am exhausted.

I am going to make a radical suggestion here.

1) Either make a backup of your system, then format and reinstall windows and then Video Drivers. It seems like something in this department is not working as it should, and seems to be corrup. The x1250 should not be outperforming the 4350.

2) The easier and less painful would be to find a back hard drive and resinstall windows and video drivers. This will give you a decent understanding of whether it is a hardware or sofware problem.

Just my recommendations this is how i test my new hardware before implementatioin, i happen to have a spare HDD though and make this easy to do. It has also mitigated much frustration when things dont go as planned

[keith_leitch]

It has also mitigated much frustration when things dont go as planned

Yes...and, while this is good advice, my marriage won't survive it. The easier option (theoretically) is to go back to what I already know worked better.

Having said that, the 4350 doesn't object to simultaneous recording and playback, nor does it "blank my screen" when changing resolutions. I haven't quite given up.

[stustunz]

did you clean your old drivers out before installing the new ones as i mentioned in previous post if yuou didnt then you will never get anywhere

also there should be a setting in 3d settings to force wait for vertical sync make sure thats turned on

make sure your output is 50 hz

these are very important settings with pal playback

[keith_leitch]

I'm working on cleaning out drivers now. I used the Windows Installer cleanup utility and, I must admit, there were a lot of CCC-related files left over. We shall see. Once CCC is running, I will see if it can solve the video tearing. Edit: Sadly, cleaning up the drivers made no difference. The fresh install of CCC still unloads itself after 10-15 seconds. I am going to try downloading an earlier version (maybe 9-7).

[stustunz]

use the one in the link i posted

driver sweeper

the windows one leaves shit behind

[keith_leitch]

Stu, you are something of a genius, I think. Windows Installer cleaner actually did the trick for me, once I thought to uninstall and clean all the C++ redistributables. (I will keep driver sweeper on hand for future adventures, though).

CCC has solved all the problems with video tearing, and this card is now producing results at least equal to my x1250. I will still have to test to ensure that it can simultaneously play and record, but early signs are positive. I am also a little unhappy with the judder during pans, but that could be explained by a need to change from the MPV decoder...another day, though. I need to sleep.

[keith_leitch]

I solved all my problems by installing a reasonably powered and priced graphics card - the ATI 4650

Sadly, this has worked out largely as I feared. Installing the 4350 did clear up some of the problems (like the video blanking), but further testing has shown that corruption still occurs when I am playing back and recording simultaneously...there is little, if any, improvement despite plenty of CPU resource and memory being available. To make matters worse, the card locks up when it attempts to play back some of that corruption...something that never happened with the x1250. See this thread http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...post361085 if you have come here seeking advice about this card; it seems to work best (but not perfectly) with the 9-9 drivers, and there are a few other quirks you should read about.

Just to ice the cake, I cleared out all my codecs and installed Hoborg's SAF...this killed my ability to play almost anything, including DVDs, and to run many of the third-party TV streamers I have been using quite happily for a year. I have not been able to return my system to the point where these will play. See this thread if you are considering the SAF http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...post361088 and install it VERY, VERY carefully--much more carefully than I did. I will not be using it again.

[BigMoose]

I really don't think your problem can be related to SAF. I still firmly believe you would clear up a lot of your issues if you did a fresh install of windows. I simply do not trust windows has cleared things up even when running the most trusted clear up tools or when you think you have got rid of stuff. The only way to be 100% sure is to never install the crap in the first place. Since you already have, the only way you can be sure it's gone is to start again. I have had no problems with SAF and my 4650 - by and large it installs the same codecs as I'd concluded myself were the best and had attempted to configure myself (to pretty good results) - but SAF does it even better than I managed. Prior to using SAF (on a fresh win7 x64 install) when I was configuring the codecs and merits myself, I had to reinstall vista to clear up some problems I couldn't manually clear up after trying other codecs/packs that I then decided against using....I appreciate the issues of doing a restart, but you've hardly had a smooth ride going the other route.

[keith_leitch]

I really don't think your problem can be related to SAF.

A couple of clarifications: it was never my intention to "blame" the SAF installer (or anyone's advice) for these problems. I am getting the feeling that I have offended some very helpful people by giving the impression that I am criticising their solutions. This is not the case; My sole intention in posting failed solutions was to alert others who may be operating outside of "normal GBPVR parameters" that they should proceed with caution, and only after a full backup (which I have underway now).

The SAF is a good example of this; it will not work for me, even after a reinstall, based on Hoborg's advice. In order to run the third-party online TV streamers that I use, I must continue to use codecs that Hoborg has advised must be uninstalled...this is why my system broke when I uninstalled them. This is detailed here http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...21&page=24 .

Anyway, I have now used K-Lite to reconstruct a full working set of codecs, detailed here http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...post361162 . I imagine this is less efficient than Hoborg's solution, but it is working well (at least for the moment). Anyone who wishes an alternative is welcome to visit this thread.

Finally, I fully intend to do a fresh install; however, I am going to do this only AFTER I have identified exactly which hardware, drivers, codecs, applications and helper utilities I actually need, and carefully saved their working settings. If I don't do so, I am afraid that I will follow my fresh install with a number of incorrect installations, recreating exactly the situation you are cautioning against. Better to experiment with an "old" system than a "new".

One remaining concern is whether I need to change video cards again. I have had some lockups on this card that never occurred on the old one. Please visit this thread http://forums.nextpvr.com/showthread.php...post361085 if you might have an opinion as to whether this is due to faulty memory or hardware.

I sincerely apologise if I have caused Hoborg or anyone else offense. I feel very privileged to be a part of such a helpful community. I am closing off this thread, as remaining discussions have been relegated to other threads as above.

[BigMoose]

I personally am not offended in the slightest - I just think you've caused yourself an awful lot of unnecessary pain by resisting a complete reinstall when things were unlikely to be clean so unpredictable/unstable. If you get everything working to your satisfaction then clearly a reinstall is daft, but you've not managed this. You'd be unluckly to have a hardware fault in your 4350 but I guess it's possible in which case you could be playing around forever and never get there!

My own experience is that I've got stuff working 95% then install some codec pack to fix the one remaining problem and things are lost from there. No clear up ever does the trick and gets me back to completely predictable states other than a reinstall of windows. Then I only install what I need again to get round that problem so so it goes on... I personally would recommend SAF on a clean windows install and then add anything you're missing from there. But like all advice on here you're most welcome to ignore it!! If it doesn't show up the cyberlink decoder on a fresh windows, then something really odd is happening.