Lots of channels no TV and No EPG (Freesat over SAT>IP)

[PaulMc]

We understand that there are bouquets, but I don't really understand the comments on where PaulMc is seeing them displayed during the EPG scan.  Certainly with spot beams scan can easily cause mixed results but these EPG runs on 11428 should be similar.

I think there is some problem in that many channels including Open TV channel seem to be in there maybe marked as Freesat so they miss the frequency based scan when they probably shouldn't.  Right now it is good think avoid all those individual scans.

Martin

thanks for the comment but this wasn't during the scan but after a retune. For some reason the number doubled but it wasn't an identical repeat of all the channels, just a select group repeated several times over. It's all good now after a delete and retune.

[mvallevand]

Semantics perhaps, but NextPVR doesn't have a retune, it is a full scan unless you change the .ini file. On some tuners it is is very easy to duplicate channels on a scan if you forget to untick the existing channels. You didn't rescan today so I wasn't sure where you saw more.

The comment about OpenTV was more for sub, I assume you have all your channels set for Freesat EPG even channels that don't have Freesat EPG.

Martin

[sub]

I did what you asked and reran the EPG grab. I didn't retune this time. The number of channels has reverted back to what I expected when I did this in the previous update to the dll.

Log file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V1nfZ25...sp=sharing

I may have found the reason why the listings weren't being found.

When the SAT>IP device is started in EPG collection mode, it was ignoring the pids requested, and replacing it with pid 18 (0x12), which is the pid used for standard DVB EPG. It wasn't including pid 3003 (0xbbb), which is also required for Freesat EPG.

2023-12-26 09:20:42.206 [VERBOSE][28]
OPTIONS rtsp://192.168.0.199:554/?src=1&freq=10714&sr=22000&pol=h&fec=56&msys=dvbs&mtype=qpsk&pids=18 RTSP/1.0
CSeq: 5
User-Agent: NextPVR
Session: 5EFA5708

Can you please try again with this updated DLL? Ideally with verbose enabled again.

[PaulMc]

Semantics perhaps, but NextPVR doesn't have a retune, it is a full scan unless you change the .ini file.  On some tuners it is is very easy to duplicate channels on a scan if you forget to untick the existing channels.  You didn't rescan today so I wasn't sure where you saw more.

The comment about OpenTV was more for sub, I assume you have all your channels set for Freesat EPG even channels that don't have Freesat EPG.

Martin

Semantics, yes. I used that term to indicate that I had erased all the channels and rescanned as opposed to the scan that takes place when searching for EPG data. The duplicates were in the scan from two updates prior to yesterday's update. In any case I presumed that this was wrong and I deleted and rescanned. I've no idea what I did to cause this and I think it is probably not worth the effort of trying to reproduce it if it is not a common problem.

And yes, all the channels are setup for Freesat (UK) using Auto Map.

[sub]

FYI, I have now also implemented the bulk of OpenTV EPG support as well, and have seen it successfully pulling out the TV listings etc. It still needs a little more work to wire it up (like trying to decide if I need an explicit "OpenTV" epg option along side "Freesat" etc). I'll hold off trying to tackle that until after we've seen the regular Freesat EPG over SAT>IP is working.

I am curious though - how many FTA channels are sky transmitting (using OpenTV)?

[mvallevand]

If you rescan an existing tuner in NextPVR I find it is much too easy to create duplicate, I've had to edit my database often. If you do rescan make sure that duplicates don't get added, before hitting save.

Yes I figured there might be an issue with Freesat Automap including Open TV channels that sub needs to look into.

Martin

[PaulMc]

The logs for the latest update https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iVTUW4B...sp=sharing

[PaulMc]

If you rescan an existing tuner in NextPVR I find it is much too easy to create duplicate, I've had to edit my database often.  If you do rescan make sure that duplicates don't get added, before hitting save.

Yes I figured there might be an issue with Freesat Automap including Open TV channels that sub needs to look into.

Martin

In an effort to minimise or avoid this in the future I've only enabled one tuner for now and deleted the channels on the second. In the early days I did accidentally create duplicates via this method I think. Each time I rescan from now on I will delete all the channels first.

I wasn't aware there was an issue with Freesat (UK) Auto Map. At the moment it simply assigns that EPG method to all channels. I did wonder if this was too crude to guarantee it works. Would any non-Freesat channels in the set cause the EPG grab to fail?

[PaulMc]

FYI, I have now also implemented the bulk of OpenTV EPG support as well, and have seen it successfully pulling out the TV listings etc. It still needs a little more work to wire it up (like trying to decide if I need an explicit "OpenTV" epg option along side "Freesat" etc). I'll hold off trying to tackle that until after we've seen the regular Freesat EPG over SAT>IP is working.

I am curious though - how many FTA channels are sky transmitting (using OpenTV)?

Sorry, I'm not sure about the answer to that question.

According to this webpage https://www.freesat.co.uk/channels there are over 160 channels. My tuner also "sees" the encrypted Sky channels as well so that bulks out the channel list you might be seeing in the logs. If there's away to only save FTA channels then that might help.

[sub]

FYI, I have now also implemented the bulk of OpenTV EPG support as well, and have seen it successfully pulling out the TV listings etc. It still needs a little more work to wire it up (like trying to decide if I need an explicit "OpenTV" epg option along side "Freesat" etc). I'll hold off trying to tackle that until after we've seen the regular Freesat EPG over SAT>IP is working.

I am curious though - how many FTA channels are sky transmitting (using OpenTV)?

Sorry, I'm not sure about the answer to that question.

According to this webpage https://www.freesat.co.uk/channels there are over 160 channels. My tuner also "sees" the encrypted Sky channels as well so that bulks out the channel list you might be seeing in the logs. If there's away to only save FTA channels then that might help.

Even though they all look like Freesat, a small subset of these channels are transmitted FTA by Sky, and use this different OpenTV EPG.

I think it's these channels https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of...eesat_Mode. ie, most significant look like maybe Channel 4 and ITV 1.