4.2.2 STOP command wont work

[eastavin]

Oh, I've heard of SAF - I just don't know the details of all the shit it installs, so I wouldn't have recommended it myself. (it might be fine, just never used it myself, and don't know much about it).

Personally I'd just get LAV directly from it's official download location:
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters...taller.exe

...that way you're just getting the decoders. (it's also a newer version of the decoders, going by that screenshot above)

So phase 1 of my "trial" is over. That is the trial of the LAV decoders contained in the Saf6 package referred to earlier in this thread and listed in the forum. I have observed that problem of STOPing that I described is solved by all the software that this package installs as I previously mentioned. However there is some sort of issue with either the Saf6 package or Windows 10. The issue is that after installing Saf6 the Windows 10 System Restore function fails to restore and complete successfully. System restore could not access a file. System files and settings were not changed back and Windows gives error code 0x80070005.


After much ado I found a way to restore my system by putting it into safe mode (run msconfig... go to boot menu.. select safe/reboot) and rerunning System Restore. So now I am back to where I was on Jun 29.

My observation now minus the SAF6 is that the STOPping problem of Live TV has returned to NPVR. Its malfunctioning as when I wrote the note.

My next step will be to run the LAV filters you recommended in your link. I will provide an update on how that works out.

I am concerned about the SAF6 though. When 3rd party software blocks functions like System Restore it must be an indication that there is something nefarious in the download. Perhaps the carte blanche recommendation to use SAF6 in the forum should be tempered by someone?

[Graham]

I am concerned about the SAF6 though. When 3rd party software blocks functions like System Restore it must be an indication that there is something nefarious in the download. Perhaps the carte blanche recommendation to use SAF6 in the forum should be tempered by someone?

I have been using SAF since God was a boy and I have never had a problem with System Restore or anything else.

But ... SAF was created to solve a problem that no longer exists ... The problem was that decoders were less stable than they are now and everyone was trying lots of different decoders and getting in a pickle. SAF was created to install a set of decoders that were known to work in 99.99% of all situations.

The situation now is that almost everyone is able to get NextPVR to work well with LAV decoders or Microsoft decoders or a combination of the two.

[eastavin]

Good to know its a complete success on your machine. Thank you.

[eastavin]

Oh, I've heard of SAF - I just don't know the details of all the shit it installs, so I wouldn't have recommended it myself. (it might be fine, just never used it myself, and don't know much about it).

Personally I'd just get LAV directly from it's official download location:
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters...taller.exe

...that way you're just getting the decoders. (it's also a newer version of the decoders, going by that screenshot above)

Hi Sub. To answer your question running just the LAV from the official download location and then enabling Mpeg 2 video with LAV filter has no effect on the problem with STOPPING live TV. Pushing the stop with a mpeg 2 LAV video filter selected just sends you to a black screen. As before NPVR does not crash.. hitting enter twice or clicking the primary mouse button twice gets you back to live tv. Right clicking the mouse and selecting STOP from the menu or Main Menu has the same result. The only way to get out of this black screen dilemma is to select EXIT.

The stop button functions perfectly when watching any recording though. One can always stop and revert to the main menu from recordings.

I will try some more combinations and see if they make any difference. Will send an update.

Edward

[eastavin]

I have been using SAF since God was a boy and I have never had a problem with System Restore or anything else.

But ... SAF was created to solve a problem that no longer exists ... The problem was that decoders were less stable than they are now and everyone was trying lots of different decoders and getting in a pickle. SAF was created to install a set of decoders that were known to work in 99.99% of all situations.

The situation now is that almost everyone is able to get NextPVR to work well with LAV decoders or Microsoft decoders or a combination of the two.

Graham... what do you suppose the difference is between the LAV filters sub recommends and the saf6 package? I could swear I saw saf6 attempt to install directx9 but that makes no sense as w10 already has directx12. any other ideas perhaps? why would saf6 work better with any decoder active than just installing the official mpeg2 lav filter I have tried so far from subs GitHub link?

[mvallevand]

I for one have posted against saf6 because of the potential illegal install of an older commercial cyberlink mpeg decoder which is really what some users like about this utility.

Martin

[Graham]

Graham... what do you suppose the difference is between the LAV filters sub recommends and the saf6 package? I could swear I saw saf6 attempt to install directx9 but that makes no sense as w10 already has directx12. any other ideas perhaps? why would saf6 work better with any decoder active than just installing the official mpeg2 lav filter I have tried so far from subs GitHub link?

Forgive me if I am stating the bleedin' obvious ... SAF is an installer ... all that it does is install decoders and some other bits of software. The versions that it installs were the latest versions at the time that they were added to the SAF installer. SAF was useful in the past but there is no real need for it now. I suspect that it hasn't been updated for a while and there are newer versions of the software and decoders available.

The SAF installer was a good idea at the time because it installed decoders and configured the decoders to work in NextPVR. Nowadays, pretty much everyone uses the latest version of LAV or the Microsoft decoders (if they have them).

[eastavin]

Forgive me if I am stating the bleedin' obvious ... SAF is an installer ... all that it does is install decoders and some other bits of software. The versions that it installs were the latest versions at the time that they were added to the SAF installer. SAF was useful in the past but there is no real need for it now. I suspect that it hasn't been updated for a while and there are newer versions of the software and decoders available.

The SAF installer was a good idea at the time because it installed decoders and configured the decoders to work in NextPVR. Nowadays, pretty much everyone uses the latest version of LAV or the Microsoft decoders (if they have them).

thanks. I was looking for your opinion. appreciate it very much.

[eastavin]

Oh, I've heard of SAF - I just don't know the details of all the shit it installs, so I wouldn't have recommended it myself. (it might be fine, just never used it myself, and don't know much about it).

Personally I'd just get LAV directly from it's official download location:
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters...taller.exe

...that way you're just getting the decoders. (it's also a newer version of the decoders, going by that screenshot above)

Hi Sub. Here is the 2nd part of my report for today. I am baffled at the outcomes but pass on my notes FWIW.

-As I said earlier I turned on one LAV filter for the first video setting-mpeg2. No change STOP still malfunctioning for livetv.
-I then added one more lav filter in the npvr settings and retried the Live tv and the stop button. Same results for the 1st 7 settings. NO change on the stop functionality.
-THen on the 8th setting of a lav filter when I tried the stop button it worked and the system reverted to the main menu on 1 click of the stop button. at this point all 8 boxes had Lav filters.

-for the next hour or so it continued to work everytime I tried it. So I thought maybe I was on to something that I could reproduce for you.

-I then removed the 8th lav filter and the stop button stopped working on the next attempt to stop live tv. When I put it back though it would not start working. Since then I have removed all lav filters and replaced all lav filters and the system still malfunctions on stopping live tv.

So I thought I was onto something and that perhaps the audio settings had something to do with this but apparently not. It seems its just flukey behaviour. Attaching my zip files for you in case there is anything useful there.

Now I am wondering if the SAF6 install success was just flukey too? Might retry that a little later just to see if I can reproduce it. For a moment I thought the GitHub lav filters you mentioned were a solution.

Edward

[eastavin]

Oh, I've heard of SAF - I just don't know the details of all the shit it installs, so I wouldn't have recommended it myself. (it might be fine, just never used it myself, and don't know much about it).

Personally I'd just get LAV directly from it's official download location:
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters...taller.exe

...that way you're just getting the decoders. (it's also a newer version of the decoders, going by that screenshot above)

Here is my 3rd report for today. All 8 lav filters are still on. I discovered I can escape from live tv using F9. Works every time. It takes me to the main menu but still shows the live tv running in the window pane on the right. from there I can select something else. (attempting to stop live tv in the right window only causes a black screen as before and also as before allows me to reactivate live tv by clicking on the window so it again has not crashed but gone somewhere)

Hope that helps.